and i just realized how dumb your hand holds theory was. When he was in Oregon. He jumped onto a thin layer of ice. How are you suppose to put hand holds in ice that hasn't broken?! and if he put them out of the ice you would have definetly seen them....
Bear Grylls was in SOUTHERN Siberia at the end of NOVEMBER. The average temperature in that part of Siberia at that time of year is between 10-20 degrees; look it up for yourself . Seriously dude, you couldn’t even see his breath; are you telling me you honestly believe it was that cold? And you're calling me dumb?
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that is labled as a dangerous event.
So are you admitting that such a thing would be completely impossible in a survival situation? Isn’t that what bear is supposedly teaching us; survival advice? Btw- he admits in the old reedited versions of the show that the crew provided him with everything he ate and helped him build every single shelter. Now they just sum all that up with a clever disclaimer. Even Bear has admitted that the crew helps with everything and you’re still arguing against it?
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which is the smarter choice?
Gee, I don’t know, lets think about that. Every true survival expert in the entire world says 99.9% of the time you should wait; the guy who can’t even set a snare says you should go. Yeah, that’s a tough one I have 20 + years of experience in the wilderness so I have no doubt I’d make it out, of course my experience would prevent me from getting into too much trouble to begin with. Most other people, you for example, don’t seem to know much about the wilderness so wondering around in circles would just mean that people like me would have a much harder time trying to find you. Been there and done that. What experience do you have with search and rescue? Any? Ever even been deep in the woods? Didn’t think so.
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Because if you were a hiker, how would you get lost 100 some miles from civilization? bear is realistic and places himself 20-30 miles from it.
You know, maybe you should find out some facts BEFORE you start ridiculing others on the net. MOST people who get lost and require the aid of S&R aren’t anywhere near 20-30 miles from civilization. In fact, that is completely ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the idea that Bear is 20-30 miles from it. Do you remember the South Dakota episode? Specifically the part where he says it’s going to be “rough going” and then jumps off the cliff into water of supposedly unknown depth? (3minutes in- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGHUINJ_f7E ) Here’s another video of that very same spot- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vjuqOW016A&feature=related As you can see he’s really out there in the middle of nowhere. Oh wait, actually that is a popular swimming hole less than a mile from the road and less than 3 miles from the nearest town. 20-30 miles LOL!!
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and of those 36 million living in siberia, probably half of them dont know what televisions or cell phones are.
Do you know how to do an internet search? Seriously, if you’re going to argue you should really look up some facts first. Otherwise you run the risk of sounding like an idiot.
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wtf is this with a truck?! there are no places to drive a truck...
Really? Been there yourself have you? Let me just make sure I understand you. You actually believe that ALL those guys stomped miles through the wilderness with ALL that gear?
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Yea if les and bear had a contest to get out of a place quick without crew, bear would climb up an 80 ft cliff and save hours while les goes around it and sees bear waiting for him
Sure, he’d be a lifeless corpse after falling down the mountain since he didn’t have his support battalion to help him but you’re right, he’d surely get there first.
Look dude, if you want to believe what you see on tv even after they (Bear and Discovery both) have admitted that it is all make believe then please be my guest. People like me get a good chuckle reading posts like yours so keep up the good work.
Bear Grylls’ unit was 21SAS(TA). TA stands for Territorial Army; it is the British version of the National Guard NOT the Navy Seals- big, BIG difference. You can look up this information yourself. As for climbing Everest, so has a 71 year old man and a 13 year old girl, impressive feat but hardly the bench mark for toughness.
My point is, is that bear grylls provides the best advice to someone who is in a survival situation. as u said about how his crew helps him with everything? i wouldnt really go hiking in those places alone, so id have someone with me and obviously they would help me. And you know ill have to admit a lot of the stuff your saying is legit. But Bear is a hell of a lot cooler and more well known than les will ever be.
but there were some episodes where what you are saying for South Dakota would be impossible in terms of distance from civilization. Im buying the seasons too so ill c how SD hole compares to the Hippie Hole
I like both, however I dont agree with some of the advice Les gives...ie, in one episode he recommends always wearing cotton socks. Anyone knows they dont keep your feet very warm and are terrible at wicking away moisture from your feet, two of the most important factors when it comes to feet.
Originally posted by -johnr: i think both shows are great. Each have a different way's of survival. I think its kinda "dumb" to say one is better then the other, cause there both great shows, just my 2 cents.
Important word is "SHOW"! You people are arguing over two men who know a little about survival and have become lucky enough to do a show about it...its Hollywood and they are loving the attention we give it. Makes them more money. Congrats to Bear and Les for their successes. They need to take safety measures and have some sort of crew close by or they may end up like Steve Irwin (may God be with him). I agree with you johnr
Bear stays in hotels and has his crew assemble things for him. The guys nuts but my biggest problem is that when he has been out for several days he is never tired, full of energy. Has is that even possible...because he is not really surviving.
lol kidfromsolon. I love the whole hotels thing. Everywhere bear goes is very far from any hotel. and he is full of energy because he is Bear Grylls, the most awesome dude ever and has a lot of experience
I honestly cannot believe how much time and energy you guys are investing in this debate. The fact it is still going on defies all logic and reason... The mentality of some of these comments read like some Teen Magazine forum debate between who is "hotter", Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan... It's a bloody TV show and i am certain Bear and Les are probably laughing their arses off together at some pub comparing notes. The odds are better at winning the Lottery than any of us ever finding ourselves in any of the situations presented on any given episode. Thank you.
To all you Bear Grylls fans, he might be entertaining, but that is all i he is. A lot in the show is faked, Still your Hero, perhaps your Teddy Bear is Scary as well.
Though a lot of planning a head of each chapter of Survivorman, he is much better. But if you need to learn anything i guess Ray Mears is even better.
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My last comment was pretty much ripped of all information, but if you want to know the story about Bear Grylls, then search google and youtube for bear grylls faked or man vs. wild faked.
... or perhaps dicovery will edit this message as well because they can't take or answer for the critisism
bear is awesome!!! les just whines and whines about everthing. bear would win anyday and is the true survivor who isnt afraid todo anything where as les wont kill an animal until the verge of starvation! go bear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
How many times are we going to watch Bear tell us the best way to find civilization is to follow a river downstream then leave the river (a source of freshwater) to hike cross country, only to later hear him whine, "If I don't find a source of fresh water soon, I'm a gonnah!"
Les Stroud. Bear Grylls is always followed by a CAMERA CREW with SATTELITE CELL PHONES. All Les has is a knife, a recorder, and a backpack. Bear Grylls survival skills will get you killed if you rely on just them for help in a situation where you would need that knowlege. Les Stroud actually goes through the situation while telling you how to survive it.
hmmmm... Hellbound1, do you think Bear is dropped miles from civilization every time? Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is and tell me he's far from any other humans. Also, would you rather get back to civilization quick...or alive?
OK, it's real simple, if you like to watch exciting, thrill a minute TV, then watch Bear. However, If you want to learn what to do properly and how to actually survive in a real situation, watch Les. Bear is interested in one thing Bear, it should be called “The look at me and look at what I can do Show! That’s it, the guy is a total glory hound, period. Half the crap he does to “get out alive” will kill the average person – end of story. Yes look at what he has done, wow, climbed Everest, he’s an ex-special forces guy – a skydiver – yada – yada. That’s great and good for him, I’m sure his mom is proud. Does that make hi more qualified to teach survival than Les? Hell no, if you go look at Les’s bio you’ll see that Les used to teach outdoor survival and camping and canoeing and yada, yada …. Les’s show is not action packed and a thrill a minute like Bear, that’s true but that’s not why I want to watch the show. It’s supposed to be education and show you how to survive.
You can all sit there in your armchairs and profess to know who’s best based on what you think and offer up your opinion, hell I’m doing it now but with a bit of a difference ….. How can “I” say that Bear’s actions are crap, where as Les’s info in MUCH more practical? It’s real simple … I go out and do it, I founded the Mount Royal Collage Climbing Club in Calgary when I was there as a kid taking Broadcasting. I KNOW ALL ABOUT CLIMBING! I also teach hunting and survival for the Alberta Hunter Education Instructors Association here in Calgary.
I teach people HOW to survive in those sort of situations and I’ve done it …. LOTS ! OK? Honest, I just got back from camping up in the Spray Valley in behind Canmore, AB five days ago and today’s date is Dec 27/08, so yes there was a tad bit of snow and it was -22 each night.
In a survival situation there is ONE key factor that Bear never talks about but Les constantly does – BEING ALONE. I can tell you from personal experience it matters, and it matters big time folks. It’s very easy to go out in a group and spend a night in the woods, survival situation or not, now try it alone. That one factor is why about half the students we take out for a solo survival night fail. That’s it … not because you have no gear or food or water, or its too cold, or too wet or anything, it’s being alone.
Now I have been camping and canoeing and climbing and going on survival trips as a soloing for years, heck I find camping alone VERY relaxing but it’s not for everyone, just try it and see. This summer go camping in a national park for one night and do it alone, you’ll see.
Let’s look at some of the shows and a thing called continuity …. - If you watch Bear’s shows they are obviously fake and staged, I’ve seen him rap down waterfalls, which is very sexy and looks cool, done it once or twice myself. But with you rap on a SINGLE rope, you can’t recover the damm rope, yet the next scene he has it back. - There’s also that clip on the web of him jumping over that “unstable” lava thing and it shows another guy doing it at the same spot in the next frame and then the camera pans left to show a highway. Also LISTEN to the corny dramatic music they have in the scene to inject drama. It’s a pretty common trick, go see the above Broadcasting Program I was in for reference, yep, been there done that. - His gear just seems to magically appear when he needs it too. One sec he’s skydiving in to some location and yep it looks sexy as hell, but where’s the pack with the gear in it? Again in the next frame, there it is! Pretty impressive.
- Finally, tell you what ….go on a day hike and carry bugger all with you and then a week later go do the same hike and take a day pack with 40 lbs in it. Now you know what it feels like to carry 50lbs of camera gear with you.
Les actually know what he is doing, he actually does and teaches stuff that can truely save your life. Do any of 90% of what that dumb a** gryls does & you DIE!
BTW, Fans of Bear: ever notice that BG has on a clean shirt & is clean shaven by days 3 & 5? That is because he spent the night in a nearby Hotel. Only an IDIOT would jump off a cliff in a survival situation. But then I digress, we are after all talking about bear, so saying Bear & Idiot in the same sentance is redundant, much like saying wet water or cold ice.
If you learn nothing from Les, well, I hope you never get in a situation where you need survival skills, & all you know is the drivel BG spews, cause you gonna die.
Originally posted by kenji420: one other thing, i doubt any one here has been in a survival situation or is as good at survival as les or bear so i would suggest more consturctive criticism
You doubt is incorrect that any one here has never been in a survival situation because I have.
OOh lots of thing went on here!!!!! Hmm Les!!! That is a nice name by the way but not when it comes to surviving the odds.
Friends remember one thing both Les and Bear are Survival experts and they tell you ways of surviving in tough environment.He has to come on TV and even you guys wont like coming on TV without taking a shave and running here and there in your briefs.
If we talk about Bear , the tally of hos achievments is much much better as compared to Les.
I have 20 + years of experience in the wilderness so I have no doubt I’d make it out, of course my experience would prevent me from getting into too much trouble to begin with. Most other people, you for example, don’t seem to know much about the wilderness so wondering around in circles would just mean that people like me would have a much harder time trying to find you. Been there and done that. What experience do you have with search and rescue? Any? Ever even been deep in the woods? Didn’t think so.
