The fact that the Duggars teach their about Modesty is great because i also agree with that concept because to me it is very unapealing when someone is half naked walking down the street and mostly it shows lack of self respect
you know exactly what i mean when i say half naked meaning tight shirts that are too small pants half way off of your behind or even sometimes i see people walking around in boxers and even shirtless
Well, we could go back to the times when necks and ankles were considered taboo to show.
I think that Duggars take things to an extreme much as your "half naked people." (Though I doubt they're truly half naked...) As with everything else, middle ground can be good.
Originally posted by aj741852: The fact that the Duggars teach their about Modesty is great because i also agree with that concept because to me it is very unapealing when someone is half naked walking down the street and mostly it shows lack of self respect
I don't think it's modest to announce to the world the date you conceived your latest child.
Not to mention, your young children are hearing this. I imagine the teens actually understood what Jim Bob meant.
I don't think it's modest to give birth on camera, like Anna.
I don't think it's modest to talk about your use of birth control in front of your young children.
I don't think it's modest to tell everyone you delayed sex till after marriage, and to talk about it when your younger siblings are around. That's what Josh did. Talked all about it, even in front of his little sisters.
All these things are way more promiscuous than showing your collarbone.
I'm 53 years old and I've never seen a "half naked" person walk down the street. Where do you live, dear?
I live in WA state and have seen many weird or unusual things in my almost 60 years of life but I also have not seen a "half-naked" person walk down the street.
I have never seen a "fertility calendar" posted on any frig in any home I have been to.
JB announcing to the world the day he got Michelle pregnant is certainly not modest.
They may wear the modest clothing but their actions are not modest.
Chendu is right. For a family that claims to be so modest, they talk way too much about reproduction topics. For starters, Jim Bob & Michelle should quit having kids--that would eliminate the talk about periods and watching a calendar and such. The kids don't need to know this info and I've said this before, most NORMAL teens don't want to think about their parents having sex. I certainly didn't & I'm sure the majority of kids growing up just don't want to know this type of stuff. Likewise, most parents don't want to think about their kids having sex. That just kind of goes with life and emotions and such. It's not strange that kids don't want to know about their parents' sex lives. It's strange when the parents make inappropriate comments and references like Jim Bob has done a number of times on his show & likely at other times when the cameras weren't around. I could see the embarrassment on the girls faces on the wedding show the other night. I feel very bad for them.
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I've never seen a half nekkid person walking down the street either. What a bummer! I need to move!
It is not at all modest to put yourself and your children on public display on television for a half hour every week along with endless reruns of the show. It takes a really big ego to do that. A modest person would never do it, or even think of it.
A modest person does not think his or her religion or way of life is superior to anyone else's. Nor does a modest person set himself or herself or their children up to be watched, looked at, photographed or commented upon in public. That takes a big ego.
Modest people do not announce to the world constantly who they are and how many kids they have and there is another on the way. That takes a big ego.
Time for a reality check! It's in the mail, and if it bounces, not my fault.
Originally posted by TXgoatmama: I've never seen a half nekkid person walking down the street either. What a bummer! I need to move!
It is not at all modest to put yourself and your children on public display on television for a half hour every week along with endless reruns of the show. It takes a really big ego to do that. A modest person would never do it, or even think of it.
A modest person does not think his or her religion or way of life is superior to anyone else's. Nor does a modest person set himself or herself or their children up to be watched, looked at, photographed or commented upon in public. That takes a big ego.
Modest people do not announce to the world constantly who they are and how many kids they have and there is another on the way. That takes a big ego.
Time for a reality check! It's in the mail, and if it bounces, not my fault.
I guess if we lived near the beach we could see these half nekkid people running around. They would be wearing what us normal people call "bathing suits." (not modesty wear/suits). Which I guess would seem like they were half nekkid to the ultra conservative.
I dunno. But I volunteer to take a road trip to a beach and observe the situation and report back. I am sure, however, that most of the men I will see should not be wearing Speedos. It would be more bad taste than half-nekkidness.
I usually wear shorts or cut offs and tank tops during the summer. It gets a trifle warm in Texas. I don't consider that immodest or anywhere half nekkid, but maybe some people do. Poor deluded souls. I consider myself a very modest dresser out of necessity more than any personal modesty convictions. Gravity has not been kind to the old girl, yanno. Neither has gravy, come to think of it.
Most people I see I would consider dressed modestly or appropriately or conservatively, however you want to phrase it. Most people, I believe, dress to suit their jobs, lives, climate or other more practical considerations.
Funny story number one: My husband, some years ago, agreed to perform a wedding at a nudist colony. Discretion being the better part of valor, he wore his wedding robe over a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. He said he didn't want anybody to run screaming. He also wore a pair of sandals. He still laughs at the wedding pictures. He said most of the so called nudists were covered by some sort of creative clothing element in any interesting places. All in all, he found the whole situation rather disappointing.
Funny store number two: We took our class on a school field trip to Six Flags last May. It was a hot day and the day before we were discussing what to wear. The subject of tank tops came up and the principal was consulted. He said we could wear shorts, as long as they were around knee length, no daisy dukes. He said tank tops were fine, but no spaghetti straps. I looked at him and said, "Honey, all I do at my age is lasagna straps!" He laughed, but I do wonder if that had something to do with my transfer......
Originally posted by TXgoatmama: I dunno. But I volunteer to take a road trip to a beach and observe the situation and report back. I am sure, however, that most of the men I will see should not be wearing Speedos. It would be more bad taste than half-nekkidness.
I usually wear shorts or cut offs and tank tops during the summer. It gets a trifle warm in Texas. I don't consider that immodest or anywhere half nekkid, but maybe some people do. Poor deluded souls. I consider myself a very modest dresser out of necessity more than any personal modesty convictions. Gravity has not been kind to the old girl, yanno. Neither has gravy, come to think of it.
Most people I see I would consider dressed modestly or appropriately or conservatively, however you want to phrase it. Most people, I believe, dress to suit their jobs, lives, climate or other more practical considerations.
Funny story number one: My husband, some years ago, agreed to perform a wedding at a nudist colony. Discretion being the better part of valor, he wore his wedding robe over a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. He said he didn't want anybody to run screaming. He also wore a pair of sandals. He still laughs at the wedding pictures. He said most of the so called nudists were covered by some sort of creative clothing element in any interesting places. All in all, he found the whole situation rather disappointing.
Funny store number two: We took our class on a school field trip to Six Flags last May. It was a hot day and the day before we were discussing what to wear. The subject of tank tops came up and the principal was consulted. He said we could wear shorts, as long as they were around knee length, no daisy dukes. He said tank tops were fine, but no spaghetti straps. I looked at him and said, "Honey, all I do at my age is lasagna straps!" He laughed, but I do wonder if that had something to do with my transfer......
Are you sure TLC hasn't called you yet about a show of your own? You should check your answering machine.
One bill collector, three hang ups, a robo call from a septic service and my mother. No TLC. Rats!
But do I really want cameras following Sam and Frodo everywhere? And what about Studs? He likes his privacy because he is a very serious fellow. And Tiny Tim Tinkertoy is so very shy. And then there are rumors about Lamb Chop and Isaac Prancer......Can we pass ourselves off as the perfect family?
there is nothing wrong with modesty but in some ways the Duggars are very hypocritical. For instance, I agree, that being on the show is not being modest, I also think all the kissing is a bit out of control with Anna and JOSH and Michelle and JB, I kiss my husband and have done it in public but not every five seconds. Something is almost creepy there. They think dancing causes bad thoughts, in children, well they might as well labatimize them, people feel and have feelings for others. I als oagree Josh married Anna for one thing and one thing only. my daughter has a friend with the mindset of must get married right out of high school so she can be with this kid, how sad. and that thumping mind set with the zealots, is very scary. my daughter told her just be with him do not destroy your life ti get married right out of school and get pregnant, very sad, sometimes this zealot thought process causes this, and of course these kids haveto talk to nobody
Originally posted by TXgoatmama: I usually wear shorts or cut offs and tank tops during the summer. It gets a trifle warm in Texas. I don't consider that immodest or anywhere half nekkid, but maybe some people do. Poor deluded souls. I consider myself a very modest dresser out of necessity more than any personal modesty convictions. Gravity has not been kind to the old girl, yanno. Neither has gravy, come to think of it.
Goatmama, you rock. You have wicked sense of humor, keep it up.
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Funny story number one: My husband, some years ago, agreed to perform a wedding at a nudist colony. Discretion being the better part of valor, he wore his wedding robe over a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. He said he didn't want anybody to run screaming. He also wore a pair of sandals. He still laughs at the wedding pictures. He said most of the so called nudists were covered by some sort of creative clothing element in any interesting places. All in all, he found the whole situation rather disappointing.
Even the nudists weren't nude! What is this world coming to these days?
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Written by cporange there is nothing wrong with modesty but in some ways the Duggars are very hypocritical. For instance, I agree, that being on the show is not being modest, I also think all the kissing is a bit out of control with Anna and JOSH and Michelle and JB, I kiss my husband and have done it in public but not every five seconds. Something is almost creepy there. They think dancing causes bad thoughts, in children, well they might as well labatimize them, people feel and have feelings for others. I als oagree Josh married Anna for one thing and one thing only. my daughter has a friend with the mindset of must get married right out of high school so she can be with this kid, how sad. and that thumping mind set with the zealots, is very scary. my daughter told her just be with him do not destroy your life ti get married right out of school and get pregnant, very sad, sometimes this zealot thought process causes this, and of course these kids haveto talk to nobody
If the Duggars were more consistent, I could respect their modesty beliefs more. But they say one thing and do another. I can't help but wonder - if they treated sex like the normal thing it is, perhaps there wouldn't be such a schism about it, there wouldn't be "uncomfortable reasons", and Josh would have a had a real reason to marry Anna. (No, legitimizing sex is not a real reason to get married. Talk about a warped view of a woman!)
some of you must live in the woods, because i see 'half naked people'. when a girls skirt is short enough to barely cover the buttocks, not a pretty site. when the tops are so low, that the chest is practically hanging out. and the clothes are so tight. I would say they are half naked.
Actually I believe the Bible teaches that it is better to get married than to have sex outside of marriage and thus sin.
So you would've been ok with your child marrying the first person he/she lusted after?
Essentially that's what Josh Duggar did!
Wow, if that isn't great advice. Get married so you an scr3w. My goodness, I'm so glad that my husband viewed me as more than a piece of meat!
I will *not* be teaching my kids to get married so that they can have sex. Nor will they get taught that marriage is the only way to "solve" those "uncomfortable feelings", so they should marry the first person that aroused them. No, I will be teaching them much healthier reasons for marriage, and much better things to look for in a spouse.
(No, legitimizing sex is not a real reason to get married. Talk about a warped view of a woman!)
Actually I believe the Bible teaches that it is better to get married than to have sex outside of marriage and thus sin.
I think knowing someone fully before you tie the knot is using common sense. I'd much rather see someone have sex (safely) before marriage than to get married just because they want to have sex. Talk about twisted reasons for getting married. I think the divorce rate is high enough.
Actually I believe the Bible teaches that it is better to get married than to have sex outside of marriage and thus sin.
So you would've been ok with your child marrying the first person he/she lusted after?
Essentially that's what Josh Duggar did!
Yeah, that's what I think too. Neither Josh nor Anna got to know others at all as far as dating or knowing what their options were. Anna's controlling Dad likely had something to do with that but Jim Bob & Michelle probably were of the same opinion that you should marry the first person you date. Mindless..just another whacked out version of their "reality".
Didn't some of those Biblical people have more than one spouse? Correct me if I'm wrong, which I often am, but I think some of those people had multiple spouses. I also believe that divorce was pretty common, or maybe it was called casting aside, or something.
But hey, what would I know? Goats stare at me.
As for getting married just to have s-e-x. That is just plain wrong. That's the last reason to get married. Once that lust wears off, you are in deep........seashells. Infidelity and abuse and divorce are obvious consequences of that. And then follow AIDS and STD's because we all know we can't refuse our husband's advances, even if he is cheating on us. And what of the little blessings that come out of an adulterous relationship? Or would they be blessings at all?
Now that's a good question.
Marrying just to have sex? That's just bizzare. Would God really want that? I don't think so. That seems totally counter-intuitive to the whole concept of being Godly and living Godly. But what would I know? Little old Pagan me.
My application of that verse is more along the lines that if you are in a relationship (talking adults here) that has progressed to the point where you are committed to each other but are struggling with staying pure before marriage then why not just go ahead and get married. Personally, I didn't have a long engagement. When my husband and I had come to the point where we knew we would be getting married we didn't really see the logic in having a long engagement. I took the time I needed to plan the wedding I wanted but I knew it wouldn't take a year so we planned it and then had a nice wedding about 4-5 months later.
We didn't get married "just to have sx" because we'd already become best friends and knew we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together. But, I will confess that knowing we'd soon be married made it more challenging to stick to our convictions!
As far as the young people, I don't agree that they should run off and get married just to have sx neither do I think that just because a girl gets pregnant she should automatically be expected to marry the father of the baby. Certainly that would be ideal if it involved two adults but forcing a marriage because of a baby is nota good way to start off in a marriage. If a couple (adult) were planning to marry anyway then it might not be too big a disruption from their plans but if they weren't ready for that commitment before getting pregnant then what makes them think they are ready now - there would most likely be feelings of resentment on both sides. Not a good way to start off. (Of course, there's the whole argument that this would be a non-issue if they waited to become intimate until after marriage, but lets just leave that in past. - no need to start another discussion on THAT topic!)
Oh, and FYI, we celebrated our 20th anniversary this year!
I'm not saying anyone who waits to have sex until marriage is marrying for the wrong reasons, and I'll give you a bit more credit than I can give Josh/Anna. You were probably more mature than either of them at that age. I just hate to see people who are so hung up on sex always equaling being married because I've seen far too many divorces over the years. My advice for others is to get to know someone before tying yourself to someone legally. I wonder what Anna would tell us if she was totally & completely honest about her place within the Duggar family? Would be interesting to hear the non-sugar-coated version of how she views them.
Originally posted by mitsy12: ... I wonder what Anna would tell us if she was totally & completely honest about her place within the Duggar family? Would be interesting to hear the non-sugar-coated version of how she views them.
I too would love nothing more than an episode entitled 'Anna Tells All'. It's not going to happen. I doubt whether an original thought has ever entered the girl's head. If she harboured any negative feelings towards the Duggars she'd be repenting and asking God to help make her a better wife and DIL.
Originally posted by mitsy12: ... I wonder what Anna would tell us if she was totally & completely honest about her place within the Duggar family? Would be interesting to hear the non-sugar-coated version of how she views them.
I too would love nothing more than an episode entitled 'Anna Tells All'. It's not going to happen. I doubt whether an original thought has ever entered the girl's head. If she harboured any negative feelings towards the Duggars she'd be repenting and asking God to help make her a better wife and DIL.
Originally posted by katrina28: I hope she would never be so ungrateful as to ever bad mouth her inlaws.Home girl was living in a double wide with 10 other people and not much money.
One can be grateful for the good while recognizing the bad. No one, not even the Duggars, are perfect.
Anna has been programmed all her life to be an obedient wife and mother. She knows no other way. I truly believe she is in love with Josh and has achieved her life's goal, that of wife and mother. She is not going to bolt from the Duggars, nor would she ever complain about her life with them. Period.
