Through the years I have heard about why people have children. Most of the time, the "why" is what sounds like excuses!

An example here is the way Michelle wants to "make up for the miscarrige" and that "G-- gives us the children" and even "its up to Michelle" is an excuse on Jim Bob's part (like HE doesn't have a part in this?). What ever happened to making adult decisions and taking some responsibility?

Other excuses I have heard in other places are:
"No birth control/we can't afford BC"
"We're Catholic"
"He wants it/She wants it"
"We were bored/nothing to do in cold dark Alaska"
"You never know when its the right moment"
"I made a mistake" (this was from someone who had 6 kids!).

Here's even more - scroll down about a page to see the table: http://www.vhemt.org/biobreed.htm#instinct

Isn't anybody a responsible adult anymore?

Well, if you're truly religious, I imagine that you don't think that your actions are what makes your pregnant - God does. If you have sex and don't have kids, it's because of God. If you have sex and have kids, it's because of God. The personal responsibility isn't in the equation. I don't think that they think that they think that it's an excuse.

But, I agree, there seems to be a lot of hand-wringing and responsibility transferring. People know how kids come about - if you choose to do things in the heat of the moment for example, you know you're taking that chance of having a kid.

I think the camera guy or mic guy (whoever made the statement) hit the nail on the head when he said to JB "You really know how to keep the series going."

JB truly looked like "Oh yeah, more money and publicity coming in for me!"

Oh I think Jim Bob was praying for another pregnancy to happen because that WOULD keep the series going, now wouldn't it? Personal responsibility does not come into play when they can use God as the reason they won't use their common sense. As I've said many times before, it isn't "GOD" keeping Michelle pregnant--it's JIM BOB. The reason I believe they are Quiverful believers (even if they say they are not) is because if they truly didn't believe in birth control, they would use the rhythm method and not have dozens of kids. They apparently don't want to give up their sex drive to God, now do they? That has been painfully obvious from day one of hearing about this family. The parents are using their kids to promote their inability to use common sense and to make $ off their side show family.

Or could baby 19 backfire on JB. Maybe fans are beginning to become bored with all these babies and pregnancies. Instead of focusing on what the older children will do; it's more about nursing and the buddy system. Just a thought.

There are only two things that keep the show going and it has nothing to do with JB & Michelle and how many babies they have. Those two reasons are viewers and advertisers. It's really that simple. If the viewers stop watching the advertisers will stop advertising and the show will end. So all of you on here who do nothing but whine and complain about how they are selling out their family and how horrible it is they keep having babies and yet you STILL tune in to watch it, YOU are actually more responsible for keeping the series going than the Duggars are. If people want the show to stop they have to stop watching and let TLC and the advertisers know they have stopped watching and why. Until the viewers tune out, the show will go on.

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Originally posted by chrislukas:
There are only two things that keep the show going and it has nothing to do with JB & Michelle and how many babies they have. Those two reasons are viewers and advertisers. It's really that simple. If the viewers stop watching the advertisers will stop advertising and the show will end. So all of you on here who do nothing but whine and complain about how they are selling out their family and how horrible it is they keep having babies and yet you STILL tune in to watch it, YOU are actually more responsible for keeping the series going than the Duggars are. If people want the show to stop they have to stop watching and let TLC and the advertisers know they have stopped watching and why. Until the viewers tune out, the show will go on.

This is so true. We all are guilty of watching this show, and the only way to get it off the air is to stop watching. Speaking of advertisers, I am getting so tired of all the obvious product placement on this show. I especially notice all the cleaning products, like Swiffer all over the place. I see lots of new baby products too.

I do like shows about large families, which is why I started watching the Duggars, but I feel like now I watch out of genuine concern for these kids. I would not be opposed the them having a show if it looked like the children were being properly raised by their parents. Michelle can't even take a time out while filming to take care of her sick child--that's bad.

It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

That was my point. One more baby just may be one more too many for the viewers.

Just like any show, there needs to be variety and changes to keep people interested. Having babies isn't going to do that. We've seen several added to the family and know how it all works. Michelle takes care of the newest arrival and passes off the one she did have to be one of the girls buddies. In order to keep people's interest, they have to break out of the mold, which is what they've started to do...all the extra trips, helping with the Bates house and of course the " next generation." For the next season, they're going to have to keep showing different things to keep people interested. Babies are old news. I'd like to see John David and the older girls start living their own lives, but know it likely won't happen until they are courting...which we already saw with Josh.

It is morbid curiosity but I have written to the Today Show & other shows that feature the Duggar's about parading this family out like they are something to be applauded. Promoting irresponsible behavior is not what I'd think the Today Show would be doing but that is exactly what's happening. There are other stupid shows on TLC. The wedding dress show & the cake show are just two of the time wasters I've seen advertised. They are grasping for ideas.

I am disappointed that the Duggars are shown so much on Discovery Health, which I used to like to watch when I worked in health care. But it seems like every day there is a Duggar show on that channel. I actually learned some things from DH and now we just learn about passing child care onto the daughters in the family. It might be OK to keep Jim Bob and family on TLC and we can not watch but why are then on the Today show too?

Bob, they are on "The Today Show" because they are old news if they wait for tomorrow. The ironic part is the people that have similar beliefs do not watch the "Today Show" because they do not watch tv.

I have to say that I have been off the board for awhile and watching some other reality tv. The Duggar's with their beliefs and all, FAR surpass the other programs available. They have managed to keep their family whole and seemingly happy. Unlike another popular family that has spiraled into a tabloid circus.

I had many questions regarding the D's beliefs and approaches to child rearing and even the number of kids they have. But time tells a lot and here they are still together and smiling.

I think if the older ones wanted out they would leave. They seem content to stay and go with the beliefs and dynamics established.

These kids may live a, "different" life than most but none of them have rap sheets or drug habits. The girls may have many chores and duties aound the home but at least we aren't seeing them dancing on a stripper pole while a brother's friend photographs them ala, Kardashian household.

All in all I have to say congrats to the Duggars for managing to keep their home and kids togther and sound. It may not be a life for everyone but it beats the heck out of a lot of homes today. Especially the ones on TV>

I will be glad when reality shows have run their course. Some are probably worse than others but I don't watch any of them. It isn't reality and it's pitiful the way the networks grasp for straws in order to make another show out of nothing. I also can't stand American Idol and never could understand the draw for that either. Some of the contestants clearly had no talent and were on there as spoofs for fodder. Why anyone would willingly do that is beyond me.

Same here. I think I watched the first season of Survivor and have never watched it again. I'm more inclined to watch nature shows, documentaries or just pop in a movie than to watch "reality" t.v. I miss shows with a story.

The ironic twist is many people believe that "reality television" is actually reality. Oddly enough reality is often blurred or worse completly untrue. Now there is a new word that has popped up like "re-enacted". What I can't figure out is I thought this was supposed to BE reality and NOT a tv "series". I think Demor said it best...."I miss shows with a STORY"! My response is "exactly"!

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Originally posted by jingle2:
I have to say that I have been off the board for awhile and watching some other reality tv. The Duggar's with their beliefs and all, FAR surpass the other programs available. They have managed to keep their family whole and seemingly happy. Unlike another popular family that has spiraled into a tabloid circus.

I had many questions regarding the D's beliefs and approaches to child rearing and even the number of kids they have. But time tells a lot and here they are still together and smiling.

I think if the older ones wanted out they would leave. They seem content to stay and go with the beliefs and dynamics established.

These kids may live a, "different" life than most but none of them have rap sheets or drug habits. The girls may have many chores and duties aound the home but at least we aren't seeing them dancing on a stripper pole while a brother's friend photographs them ala, Kardashian household.

All in all I have to say congrats to the Duggars for managing to keep their home and kids togther and sound. It may not be a life for everyone but it beats the heck out of a lot of homes today. Especially the ones on TV>

*sigh*

Where would they go? What would they do to support themselves? How can they leave when they have been raised to believe that their religion is the ONLY one that will get you into heaven and that if you disobey Daddy you are tarnishing your soul? Of course they smile - all women in these types of homes are told to "keep sweet" for the outside world. There is no chance in h e double hockey sticks that Michelle would ever leave Jim Bob. (eternal soul and all that again) They have had so many children that they are now totally out of control. They have had so many children that Michelle doesn't even seem to be much involved with them any more. They have had so many children and yet Jim Bob NEVER helps to raise them (except for his toting the one child around on his hip). Most children don't have a rap sheet or do drugs. Most children do not even dance on stripper poles or would even know what a stripper pole is! (and btw - the Kardashian "girls" are NOT GIRLS - they are adults making stupid decisions all on their own). They are glorifying a lifestyle where they would be living in poverty except for being paid stupid sums of money to be on TV and for all the free things Jim Bob asks for. Other families in their shoes are poor and live much different lifestyles.

I am sorry Jingle, but I obviously disagree with all of your post except for the last line. Sadly, all the other family shows on TV are so pathetic that they do make the Duggar family look normal. I choose not to watch any of them and rarely watch the Duggars anymore unless it is a particular episode I feel I need to see based on comments here.

Laura

The older children are brainwashed, just as cult members are. They don't leave because they have not been socialized to know how to manage themselves in the "outside" world. They do not know any life but one where they are surrounded by their family 24/7, and never have a single outside experience without a chaperone or family member.

It's developmentally wrong. Young people need to go out and meet their own friends, make decisions (even those that are wrong) and learn things separately from their family. They might even do something that goes against the family, and that's fine too. It doesn't mean that they will turn into strippers, or get a rap sheet or drug habit!

I don't know why there are those on this board who think so little of American teenagers that they think anyone NOT like the Duggars is a drug addict, pole stripping, rude hussy! Obviously, these posters do not know many teenagers, since most are NOT like that! Sure, there are some, but they don't have decent parenting, usually.

Now that the 10 younger Duggars no longer have decent parenting either, all bets are off on whether one of them will be a pole dancer or have a rap sheet!

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Originally posted by chrislukas:
There are only two things that keep the show going and it has nothing to do with JB & Michelle and how many babies they have. Those two reasons are viewers and advertisers. It's really that simple. If the viewers stop watching the advertisers will stop advertising and the show will end. So all of you on here who do nothing but whine and complain about how they are selling out their family and how horrible it is they keep having babies and yet you STILL tune in to watch it, YOU are actually more responsible for keeping the series going than the Duggars are. If people want the show to stop they have to stop watching and let TLC and the advertisers know they have stopped watching and why. Until the viewers tune out, the show will go on.

AMEN.

They whine and complain about "exploitation" but they still tune in and post about it. If its truly "exploiting" THEY are perpetuating it.

Hmmmm......

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

A caring teacher would be a far better caregiver than an apathetic teenage sister, with a myriad of other chores to do.

I cared for my younger siblings as a teenager and believe me, my parenting was less than perfect.

Why do you have to have an excuse for having a baby...no matter what the circumstance a baby is a blessing. If your not in a situation where you can keep the baby then it can be a blessing to someone else.
Life is precious.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

A caring teacher would be a far better caregiver than an apathetic teenage sister, with a myriad of other chores to do.

I cared for my younger siblings as a teenager and believe me, my parenting was less than perfect.

And I know many large families where they older ones RELISH caring for younger siblings. They see it as practice for one day being married and a mother themselves.

Life is precious and should be celebrated.

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Originally posted by chengdu:

A caring teacher would be a far better caregiver than an apathetic teenage sister, with a myriad of other chores to do.

I cared for my younger siblings as a teenager and believe me, my parenting was less than perfect.

Amen to that! I am the oldest of three and was the second mom to my brothers. Looking back, I was horrible. I tried, of course, but there are so many things I should have done better. There were times when I resented having to take care of them and clean the house when all my friends were on dates and at the mall and just generally being teenagers. I can only imagine how the Duggar girls feel since I had just the two to raise.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by chengdu:

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

A caring teacher would be a far better caregiver than an apathetic teenage sister, with a myriad of other chores to do.

I cared for my younger siblings as a teenager and believe me, my parenting was less than perfect.

And I know many large families where they older ones RELISH caring for younger siblings. They see it as practice for one day being married and a mother themselves.

Funny how boys never need to "practice" being married and being a dad.

Changing diapers and wiping faces is not that hard, that you need to practice for years ahead of time.

No but cooking and cleaning and knowing how to care for a child and how to be the best mother you can be is.

If more people put the emphasis on their kids knowing how to be mommys and daddys and husbands and wives, maybe we wouldn't have so many broken families.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
No but cooking and cleaning and knowing how to care for a child and how to be the best mother you can be is.

If more people put the emphasis on their kids knowing how to be mommys and daddys and husbands and wives, maybe we wouldn't have so many broken families.

Hmmmm. . . I know lots of moms who are terrific who didn't spend their adolescence "practicing." They spent it doing sports, spending time with friends, studying and dating. And they still are great moms!

Gee. . . I wonder if this "need" to train the Duggar girls is really just an excuse to use them as free maids and babysitters, 24/7.

This isn't the only family in America where the older ones watch the younger ones.

It isn't that out of the norm and it is the parents choice to decide this.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
This isn't the only family in America where the older ones watch the younger ones.

It isn't that out of the norm and it is the parents choice to decide this.

But there is a huge difference between watching younger siblings now and then and being in charge of them. It seems that as soon as a baby is weaned it gets passed along to it's "buddy". Being in charge of a child is a parent's job, not your kid's job.

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Originally posted by chengdu:

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Originally posted by mom9900:
No but cooking and cleaning and knowing how to care for a child and how to be the best mother you can be is.

If more people put the emphasis on their kids knowing how to be mommys and daddys and husbands and wives, maybe we wouldn't have so many broken families.

Hmmmm. . . I know lots of moms who are terrific who didn't spend their adolescence "practicing." They spent it doing sports, spending time with friends, studying and dating. And they still are great moms!

Gee. . . I wonder if this "need" to train the Duggar girls is really just an excuse to use them as free maids and babysitters, 24/7.

I agree. Kids need time with other kids to do things with, instead of "practicing" to be moms and dads and husbands and wives. They will have plenty of time for that when they are older. And what about only children? If they can't practice because they have no siblings, will that make them a bad parent or cause them to have a broken home?

I don't see any evidence that any harm is being done to any of them.

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Originally posted by chengdu:

Gee. . . I wonder if this "need" to train the Duggar girls is really just an excuse to use them as free maids and babysitters, 24/7.

That's right, and Jim Bob really knows how to make excuses sound like a real reason.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
This isn't the only family in America where the older ones watch the younger ones.

It isn't that out of the norm and it is the parents choice to decide this.

But that is worse than a bad work situation. If a boss gives you too much to do at work, one has the option to leave and get another job. These young women don't even have that option. It sounds like slavery to me. All so Michelle can be "The Queen".

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Originally posted by mom9900:
I don't see any evidence that any harm is being done to any of them.

Of course you don't see any harm being done to them, as long as they stay isolated. How any of the Duggar children would fare if they had to live on their own in the outside world is another story. You never see any of the older ones going out and about all by themselves. They've always got some of their siblings with them. And, for example, if John-David has to call his father before buying a candle for his mother, I expect it will be difficult for those
children to have to make life decisions on their own, should that situation occur.

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Originally posted by chengdu:
Hmmmm. . . I know lots of moms who are terrific who didn't spend their adolescence "practicing." They spent it doing sports, spending time with friends, studying and dating. And they still are great moms!

Gee. . . I wonder if this "need" to train the Duggar girls is really just an excuse to use them as free maids and babysitters, 24/7.

I completely agree. My daughter has a 3.5 month old son. She has had very little childcare experience (occasional evening of babysitting as a teen), yet is an excellent mother.

Tedious chores like laundry, cleaning, etc., are not that hard to learn.

This cult - not just the Duggars - absolutely uses their female children as servants and babysitters. The girls have no opportunities in the outside world.

The only way for them to leave the compound is to marry a man with beliefs that are similar to their fathers' beliefs.

I don't think JB or Michelle have ever said anything about their daughters having to live a certain way when they become adults. They are free to make their own choices and if they decided to go to college and work before marrying and having a family I don't think they would have a problem with that or think that they've failed somehow.
I think JB and Michelle care most about their childrens salvation and relationship with the Lord. They've raised their kids in such a way that I don't think any of them will go off and do something that would completely shock or upset their parents.

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Originally posted by thmom:
I don't think JB or Michelle have ever said anything about their daughters having to live a certain way when they become adults. They are free to make their own choices and if they decided to go to college and work before marrying and having a family I don't think they would have a problem with that or think that they've failed somehow.

Of course, JB and Michelle will never say in public what their girls have been taught.

You are right that these children are free to make their own choices. However, if the choices are not acceptable to the parents, they will be forbidden to return to the family - to see their siblings.

Read about the Jeub family's oldest daughter.

Stray from the very narrow belief system of this cult, and you are disowned.

Oh these kids know what they are supposed to think and would happen if they do not think the FAMILY way. The kids in interviews have come out and said others views are wrong. Remember some of the things the kids have said about Amy, or even calling the fans weird. I mean come on they know what the rules are and what they are to do. Kids are kids and will spill it like saying some of the fans are weird. and I personally found it funny but if your going to present your self a certain way then act another well sure people will comment. As far that we who disagree with their lifestyle are helping along the exploitation by that arguement we all are. I certainly think all reality shows are a form of exploitation and we all are responsible, just like comming here and gossiping good or bad it is gossip. I think the Duggars are a very interesting group of people. But I see their flaws as they are human. BUt they do not see it, but most people who are so self rightiouse usually do not

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

Ok I had to respond to this. I am so peeved I could scream. How much quality time does each Duggar child get with their parents? Hmm? I have "just" two kids and guess what? They went to daycare! I can say I spent individual time with each of my children, can the Duggars? They may be "providing" by feeding and clothing their kids, but not emotionally. PERIOD

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Originally posted by Juju65:

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

Ok I had to respond to this. I am so peeved I could scream. How much quality time does each Duggar child get with their parents? Hmm? I have "just" two kids and guess what? They went to daycare! I can say I spent individual time with each of my children, can the Duggars? They may be "providing" by feeding and clothing their kids, but not emotionally. PERIOD

It was stated on one show that if one of the kids wanted one on one time with their parents they had a sign up sheet. If you have to make an appointment to talk to your parents then there is a problem.

Thank you Linda! I shouldn't get uppity, but it really bothers me when people talk about working parents like that.

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Originally posted by Juju65:
Thank you Linda! I shouldn't get uppity, but it really bothers me when people talk about working parents like that.

You are welcome. I have worked outside the home and am presently a stay at home mom so I can see both sides on that issue. You shouldn't have to defend your decision to work outside the home. When I was working, it was part-time and I did it partly for extra money and partly just to get out of the house. I know plenty of women that have to work due to financial needs. And I certainly have no problem with women that work simply because they choose to.

I agree. I have been a stay at home mom too and I think each family has to decide what's right for them. I think comparing the Duggars with working familes is comparing apples/oranges. Being an only child of a mom who worked the idea of having siblings and a stay at home mom sounds cool. (When my mom worked companies weren't as flexible to let them off for field trips etc.) I don't think those kids can possibly get one on one time, maybe I'm wrong.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by Girlsrule21:
It's the same issue with the Gosselins. People watch these train wreck families out of morbid curiosity, and our curiosity actually perpetuates the train wreck. It 's unfortunate that most of us are so very curious about these weirdos that they continue to make money off our viewership.

But the truth is, these reality families show no common sense, no sense of morality, and no humility. If they were really as they say, they would get themselves off tv. But no, they are all so happy reaping the financial rewards that come from exploiting their children on national television!

They are providing for their kids. Period.

This way they dont' have to put them in day care and can be there for them.

Ok I had to respond to this. I am so peeved I could scream. How much quality time does each Duggar child get with their parents? Hmm? I have "just" two kids and guess what? They went to daycare! I can say I spent individual time with each of my children, can the Duggars? They may be "providing" by feeding and clothing their kids, but not emotionally. PERIOD

And you don't know what happens the other 10050 minutes each week. You don't know that there isn't plenty of that when the cameras aren't rolling. PERIOD!

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Originally posted by Juju65:
Thank you Linda! I shouldn't get uppity, but it really bothers me when people talk about working parents like that.

Since I AM A WORKING PARENT I was not ATTACKING THEM. I have simply stated that if a parent doesn't HAVE to work to provide it is MY OPINION (that thing I am allowed to have and post) that it is best to stay at home or work reduced hours (depending on the age of the children).

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Originally posted by thmom:
Why do you have to have an excuse for having a baby...no matter what the circumstance a baby is a blessing. If your not in a situation where you can keep the baby then it can be a blessing to someone else.
Life is precious.

What I am saying is that with many people, they do not have children because they sincerely want them and enjoy children, but most of the time they have kids because of the above-mentioned excuses. I have actually had people say to me that they have a kid because they were bored one night. Really, I think that it is just too easy to create kids.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

Since I AM A WORKING PARENT I was not ATTACKING THEM. I have simply stated that if a parent doesn't HAVE to work to provide it is MY OPINION (that thing I am allowed to have and post) that it is best to stay at home or work reduced hours (depending on the age of the children).

Sigh.

Am I the only one who finds the constant haranguing about traditional women's roles, the importance of home schooling, deferring to husbands, and constantly being home with children a bit tiring coming from posters who do not practice what they preach? (I stayed home with my children, yet would certainly not think of lecturing any working mother about her choice(s). It's simply NONE of my business.)

And, FYI: ALL mothers (at least those who do the job properly, instead of deferring to others) WORK. Those who have other jobs -- whether outside the home or those self-employed at home -- simply have to be more multi-tasking and organized -- at least, IMHO. ALL parenting is difficult IF one does it to the best of one's ability.

IMO (and yes, I know you disagree): The Duggars, by displaying their family on the Internet and on TV and in print media, are opening themselves up to criticism by viewers. However, those of us who post on this (or any other message board about them) do not deserve the continual personal attacks and sermons. We are all anonymous posters; none of us knows another poster's personal history or situation; and we should perhaps keep personal opinions of other posters to ourselves.

Let's just try to be kinder to others in general, please. Life is hard enough already.

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Originally posted by Caliane:

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Originally posted by mom9900:

Since I AM A WORKING PARENT I was not ATTACKING THEM. I have simply stated that if a parent doesn't HAVE to work to provide it is MY OPINION (that thing I am allowed to have and post) that it is best to stay at home or work reduced hours (depending on the age of the children).

Sigh.

Am I the only one who finds the constant haranguing about traditional women's roles, the importance of home schooling, deferring to husbands, and constantly being home with children a bit tiring coming from posters who do not practice what they preach? (I stayed home with my children, yet would certainly not think of lecturing any working mother about her choice(s). It's simply NONE of my business.)

And, FYI: ALL mothers (at least those who do the job properly, instead of deferring to others) WORK. Those who have other jobs -- whether outside the home or those self-employed at home -- simply have to be more multi-tasking and organized -- at least, IMHO. ALL parenting is difficult IF one does it to the best of one's ability.

IMO (and yes, I know you disagree): The Duggars, by displaying their family on the Internet and on TV and in print media, are opening themselves up to criticism by viewers. However, those of us who post on this (or any other message board about them) do not deserve the continual personal attacks and sermons. We are all anonymous posters; none of us knows another poster's personal history or situation; and we should perhaps keep personal opinions of other posters to ourselves.

Let's just try to be kinder to others in general, please. Life is hard enough already.

Well said.