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I know it's popular to blame Jim-Bob and or/Michelle for every thing from fame whoring to depletion of the ozone layer But think about this one-What if the TLC people are preventing or strong arming the kids not to marry Specifically the girls because they will almost certainly go live near the husbands family.This show is making a lot of people a lot of money....Once the kids start leaving,you lose the show appeal because they are the show and having a family spread all over the US or world dosen't work for practical reasons when filming a TV show!This theory is just as likely or more so than JB/Michelle not allowing them to leave,IMHO.
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I seriously, seriously doubt that TLC could prevent the girls from getting married if it wanted to. In the Duggars' world, a girl's whole raison d'etre is to get married, be a good wife, and have lots of kids. Her value is her womb. Not being able to marry would take that all away. There's not way that the Duggars would let TLC interfere with something like that. That would be like TLC telling the Duggars that the girls had to get an education, or that the parents had to actually trust their kids. Just isn't going to happen.
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I highly doubt TLC can stop the girls from getting married. It is the parents that are the ones keeping the girls in that house. Without them, who would cook, clean, do laundry and take care of the younger kids? Seems that these parents conceive, have the baby, Michelle nurses it, weans it, then passes it along to it's buddy. Kind of reminds me of an assembly line.
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Again this show is very popular,a ratings winner and makes alot of money-You think the PTB is just going to let the stars move away-Probably to men who don't want themselves or the kids on TV -possible hundreds of miles away with no say.Please.Also,Really how easy do you think it would be to intimidate Jill Duggar?
I am not sure why certain posters can't entertain or see the logic in any other idea... than thier own.
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I don't think that TLC can make the Duggars do anything that goes against their beliefs. Just as TLC couldn't make JB and Michelle go to the Playboy Club, neither could it make them keep the girls single.
I also don't think that the Duggars would lose their show if a couple of the girls got married. The Duggars would still be a fundie family with huge number of children. Plus, think of all the wedding specials and tie-ins they could have. The Today Show, maybe another "Yes to the Dress" tie-in... No, I'm sorry, but there's no reason for TLC to try to keep the girls single, and the Duggars wouldn't allow it anyhow.
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Registered: 08-04-09
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There are a LOT of examples on this board where people are quite 'far reaching" this concept is proof of that.
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Anna's brother-in-Law wrote on TWOP about how Sean,the Producer,bullied/harassed them into allowing themselves to be filmed by saying he would not let them be in Josh and Anna's wedding-He did not want'his show ruined' by having to blur faces.
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
Anna's brother-in-Law wrote on TWOP about how Sean,the Producer,bullied/harassed them into allowing themselves to be filmed by saying he would not let them be in Josh and Anna's wedding-He did not want'his show ruined' by having to blur faces.
You're still stretching there. There's a huge difference between getting filmed at an event (and the only issue there was that the BIL didn't want to give permission to be aired, not that he wasn't allowed at the wedding) and controlling a relationship. Huge difference. I get the impression that you'd like to place the blame anywhere but where it belongs. |
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quote: I am not sure why certain posters can't entertain or see the logic in any other idea... than thier own.
It's really quite easy to explain. "Certain posters" enjoy bashing JB & Michelle. If TLC were to be responsible for part of keeping the girls at home, then they couldn't blame everything on the parents. I believe that the kids who are legal age have had to sign their own contracts. Without seeing those contracts, there's no way to know what the monetary penalty would be if they broke such a contract. Perhaps they have signed a 1, 2 or even 5 year contract and if so, there could be something in the contract saying they would owe TLC X amount of dollars to break the contract. Something like that would definitely have a huge impact on their life decisions. |
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I highly doubt there is a "no marriage" clause in their contracts. Don't think Michelle and Jim Bob would go for that. They are raising their girls to be good wives and mommies. Of course they will have to wait to get married until some of the younger girls are old enough to take over their duties.
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quote: I highly doubt there is a "no marriage" clause in their contracts.
You can doubt it all you want, but until we see proof, then it is within the the realm of possibility. |
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Once again,your the only one who adds some logic and common sense to a discussion.Thanks!
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quote: Originally posted by linda218:
I highly doubt there is a "no marriage" clause in their contracts. Don't think Michelle and Jim Bob would go for that. They are raising their girls to be good wives and mommies. Of course they will have to wait to get married until some of the younger girls are old enough to take over their duties.
What purpose would such a clause serve? TLC would derive no benefit from it. JB and Michelle would never sign it, and as the authority over all the girls, JB wouldn't allow it, so the girls wouldn't have a choice regardless. Is it possible there's a clause? Sure. Just about as possible as aliens landing on the White House lawn tomorrow. They're both *possible*, but none make a lick of sense. But then, who needs sense and logic anyhow? |
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Registered: 11-01-09
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An interesting theory, but a difficult one to imagine. I would think that since the Duggars have sold their souls to TLC I'm certain that when the producers are looking at a new series or episodes there'd be lots of pre-filming meetings with JB and they'd want to know exactly what the relationship status of all the older kids was, more courtings going on perhaps, any future weddings in the works, etc. Anything involving weddings is a major money spinner for lots of people, which is why there's so many other shows on them, and not forgetting of course another wedding would be platform for JB to bang on about all his self-styled 'Christian' values and propaganda. I'm sure the highest rating shows involve lead up wedding preparations and the actual blessed union. If anything the producers would be encouraging marrying the girls off and manipulating the event for their benefit as much as they were able. I was also under the impression from old episodes that the whole idea of buying that huge block of land was so that in the future when the kids were married and reproducing they could build their own houses on the property, create their own little Duggarville compound?? If that ever eventuated this show could potentially go on forever.  |
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Let's just say this is possible, which I still highly doubt, then they are more naive than I thought.
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quote: Originally posted by aussiegirl24: An interesting theory, but a difficult one to imagine. I would think that since the Duggars have sold their souls to TLC I'm certain that when the producers are looking at a new series or episodes there'd be lots of pre-filming meetings with JB and they'd want to know exactly what the relationship status of all the older kids was, more courtings going on perhaps, any future weddings in the works, etc. Anything involving weddings is a major money spinner for lots of people, which is why there's so many other shows on them, and not forgetting of course another wedding would be platform for JB to bang on about all his self-styled 'Christian' values and propaganda. I'm sure the highest rating shows involve lead up wedding preparations and the actual blessed union. If anything the producers would be encouraging marrying the girls off and manipulating the event for their benefit as much as they were able. I was also under the impression from old episodes that the whole idea of buying that huge block of land was so that in the future when the kids were married and reproducing they could build their own houses on the property, create their own little Duggarville compound?? If that ever eventuated this show could potentially go on forever.
Now that is a scary thought! They did say they hoped that when the kids got married, they wanted them to build their homes on that property. Personally, I think that is just selfish. Goes to show they don't ever want their kids to be able to go out into the world on their own. They probably wouldn't be able to cope in the real world anyway. |
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quote: Originally posted by chrislukas: quote: I highly doubt there is a "no marriage" clause in their contracts.
You can doubt it all you want, but until we see proof, then it is within the the realm of possibility.
Chris, Do you think the Duggars would be OK with something as ungodly as that. It goes against everything they say is important. For example if God wanted them to marry and sent forth their mate ( or however you churchy people word that...lol) then by bowing to TLC's contract and not "GOD" wouldnt that make them ungodly. And if they are leaving the # of children they have up to god ( like Josh and Anna say the are doing) then marrying late would delay that and also make them go against god. And I'm sure if y'all look at the scrpiture you will see something or other that says one should worship god and not TV producers! That sure dosent sound like how you usually percieve the Duggars LOL |
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Anything to put the Duggars in the best light, even if it is completely unfeasible...
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Any thing to vilify this family,even if it's ludicris.
But I am not really talking about contracts.I mean intimidating sheltered girls behind Jim-Bob's and Michelle's backs.
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Some people will defend this family no matter what they do.
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
Any thing to vilify this family,even if it's ludicris.
Show me, logically, how it would benifit TLC to have clauses in a contract to keep the girls unwed. Show me, logically, how JB and Michelle would allow TLC into interfere with something they take so seriously. Use reason and logic to prove to me something, and I will believe it. Give me irrational, emotional answers, and I will not believe. Very simple. I await your explanation of all of this. |
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I had a nice long post all printed but for some reason it disappeared. I'll shorten it to say that I agree with Arnaras. There are plenty of filming opportunities if/when another Duggar gets married.
I think it is unlikely that we'll know anything ahead of time just like when Josh announced his "courtship/engagement." He had been pursuing this for a year or two but we didn't know about any of it until they made an official announcement. Evidently he'd been planning things, visiting the family, etc. for a while and preparing to get married. All this was kept out of public eye until they were ready to talk about. I think the same will be true for the girls - especially the girls.
In the event one of the girls marries someone who wants to remain out of the pubic eye I think they'll have to make some compromises until after the wedding since cameras are a part of the girls lives right now.
Either way, TLC can continue to make changes to keep things intersting. I like how they've started interviewing the little ones more. I hope that also start interviewing the girls more and not just when they're working or in a group.
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I never said a thing about clauses.ChrisLukas did.But threats,intimidation and pressure are part and parcel of show buisness and the PTB may not want a show where the most popular and discussion worthy stars-the 4 eldest girls-live in four different states,not leaving out the older boys if they move.
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
I never said a thing about clauses.ChrisLukas did.But threats,intimidation and pressure are part and parcel of show buisness and the PTB may not want a show where the most popular and discussion worthy stars-the 4 eldest girls-live in four different states,not leaving out the older boys if they move.
Again: how would TLC benefit from keeping the girls unwed? How would the super-conservative, super-religious couple be bullied so much that they caved and let a corporation dictate their duaghters' lives? |
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quote: Originally posted by 1989kb:
I had a nice long post all printed but for some reason it disappeared. I'll shorten it to say that I agree with Arnaras. There are plenty of filming opportunities if/when another Duggar gets married.
I hate it when posts get eaten. I've had that happen before, it's frustrating. TLC didn't lose anything when Josh married. They got publicity out of it, and they had tie-ins because of it. Why would a daughter marrying be any different? quote:
I think it is unlikely that we'll know anything ahead of time just like when Josh announced his "courtship/engagement." He had been pursuing this for a year or two but we didn't know about any of it until they made an official announcement. Evidently he'd been planning things, visiting the family, etc. for a while and preparing to get married. All this was kept out of public eye until they were ready to talk about. I think the same will be true for the girls - especially the girls.
I agree completely. And when the time does come, there will be a special and a Today interview, just as there was with Josh. quote:
Either way, TLC can continue to make changes to keep things intersting. I like how they've started interviewing the little ones more. I hope that also start interviewing the girls more and not just when they're working or in a group.
There are plenty of shows that would be able to be done even lacking Josh and the eldest children. After all, this *is* a family with 18 kids. There will always be someone else to have in front of the camera. |
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I just answered the question so i won't repeat myself  But Jill,for instance,could probably be talked into signing something and than thats it-JB and Michelle don't have a say. |
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28: I just answered the question so i won't repeat myself But Jill,for instance,could probably be talked into signing something and than thats it-JB and Michelle don't have a say.
Let me re-read your last post here... So you think that TLC would have a lot to lose by having the eldest move? How? And why do you say those girls are the stars? None of the girls have the authority to do anything by themselves. Until they get married, their father has final say. Once they get married, their husbands have final say. |
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That's the way I see it. Jim Bob is their authority figure now, and when they get married, their husbands will take over that role. Even though some might be of legal age to sign their own contracts, I am sure Jim Bob wouldn't allow them to sign anything without his say so.
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They have legal authority to sign paperwork and thats all buisness people would care about,not Fundie social mores
Do you realize how many discussions are going on at any one time on the net about Jingers facial expressions,percieved rebelliousness,Jana's percieved unhappyness, her courting prospects, Jessa's beauty and percieved flirtyness...not to mention the girls dress,role in the home, education..I could go on.Heck,there is aforun devoted to freeing Jinger! they are the poster children for Fundie femininity and it fascinates viewers.You ever see people talk about Jason Duggar?. No.Rest assured,the PTB are aware of this.
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But the girls don't care about their legal rights. It's not how they were brought up. They were brought up to obey their parents, to become good wives and good mothers. They wouldn't go behind their parents' backs, and I doubt that TLC would either. Doing that would be a quick way to earn the ire of JB and Michelle. I sincerely doubt that JB and Michelle would stand for TLC doing something like forcing the girls - behind their backs and without their consent - to promise not to marry.
One more thing. Why would marriage mean the end of filming for the girls? It hasn't with Josh. If anything, he's been filmed *more* than before he got married.
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TLC can do what they want.
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Because the girls would almost certainly move to be with the husbands families-that's normal for their sect. And that could be Hawaii,Idaho, Philly and Toronto,hypothetically.Logistically, it would not work.
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
TLC can do what they want.
LOL. You cannot simply force people to whatever it is you want them to do! That argument makes no sense! TLC, stupid as it may be, isn't some vile corporation that's out to edit the shows to make the Duggars look bad while forcing the girls to go against their entire belief system in order to make it happy. There is no profit it it, there is no reason for it, and there is no need for it. The girls may be popular, but they are not the vehicle of the show. The show has gone along just fine with Josh married, there is no real reason to be had that the same wouldn't happen with the girls getting married. |
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Believe what you will.Good night.
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I'm sorry if it seemed as though I was laughing at you katrina. I wasn't. But your argument made me laugh, because it was exactly the kind of irrational argument that I was talking about earlier. So after all of that, after all of your other comments, it just seemed immensely funny that your retort would be something like "TLC can do whatever it wants."
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
Believe what you will.Good night.
I will believe what still is the most rational and logical thing to believe. And that isn't that the Duggar girls are puppets to TLC's whim. Good night to you too. |
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They have the power and money.If you can't see that,than your being blind.
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quote: Originally posted by katrina28:
They have the power and money.If you can't see that,than your being blind.
Money and power only go so far. Do you think that TLC, with all that it has, can force the Duggars to change their beliefs? Perhaps force them to believe in evolution? Or sex before marriage? I don't think so. I think that those girls have strong convictions, ones not swayed by someone waving money under their noses. |
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The only ones who can keep the girls from marrying are JB and Michelle. The same rule would have to apply to the boys and most are too young anyway. It is kinda like saying you cant get pregnant or get married while you star in a series. Most of the time actresses quit or take haitus from the series should they become pregnant if not part of the story or in the case of actor/actress gets married
And personally I would like the kids to date as normal but i guess that wont happen.
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From a practical point of view, it serves no purpose for TLC to mandate the girls stay and not marry. In order to keep viewers, new storylines and situations need to continue to happen. We've seen a lot of what happens at the house...they added trips in....Josh and Anna's situation. It was a nice change. When the girls get married there will more more story lines and lead ins to follow. When Michelle is no longer able to have more babies, and we've just had enough of seeing the Duggars go to the Grand Canyon, Seeing things in Janna and Jill's family might be the thing that keeps the show going. They'll be having babies and husbands, ( not in that order) and maybe their family dynamics will be a little different.
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The oldest girl is only 19!! I don't think they want them to get married quite that young, even if they are just a womb for God. Even Anna waited until she was 20 to get married.
You guys are talking like these kids are in their mid-twenties already. They are still teenagers for goodness sakes. Technically, two are considered adults, but barely.
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quote: Originally posted by ppatten:
The oldest girl is only 19!! I don't think they want them to get married quite that young, even if they are just a womb for God. Even Anna waited until she was 20 to get married.
You guys are talking like these kids are in their mid-twenties already. They are still teenagers for goodness sakes. Technically, two are considered adults, but barely.
Don't misunderstand, I don't want any of them to get married. I personally think that neither Josh nor Ana were ready to get married. Though if the eldest is 19 now, that's about the age that Anna got engaged, so it is conceivable for her to start courting. Not that I want that. I was pointing out that TLC forcing the girls to not get married didn't seem at all like a feasible idea. |
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......and besides as long as Michelle and JB are staying active they keep the storyline going.....kind of like the Energizer Bunnny. They keep going and going and going. Altho I do get a chuckle at the new commercials. What a difference in Michelles appearance and dress over the first few specials!TLC can't be all bad.  |
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Maybe Jim Bob just hasnt found them a good guy yet? haha  (oh and not to mention if they leave who will take care of the kids) |
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quote: Originally posted by arnaras: quote: Originally posted by ppatten:
The oldest girl is only 19!! I don't think they want them to get married quite that young, even if they are just a womb for God. Even Anna waited until she was 20 to get married.
You guys are talking like these kids are in their mid-twenties already. They are still teenagers for goodness sakes. Technically, two are considered adults, but barely.
Don't misunderstand, I don't want any of them to get married. I personally think that neither Josh nor Ana were ready to get married. Though if the eldest is 19 now, that's about the age that Anna got engaged, so it is conceivable for her to start courting. Not that I want that. I was pointing out that TLC forcing the girls to not get married didn't seem at all like a feasible idea.
Didn't Josh propose on her 20th b-day? And then they rushed into marriage three months later so he could relieve those uncomfortable feelings? But, I do think they had been talking via email and phone for a while, if I remember Josh's version correctly. My point was it seems like everyone is referring to the older girls as if they are almost 30 and aren't allowed to marry yet. They aren't even out of their teens!!! Of course, in their sect, by 20, you are probably considered a spinster. But I agree with you that TLC is not forcing them to remain single and living at home, taking care of Michelle's kids. JB and Michelle are doing that. I think TLC would love nothing more than another hour-long wedding episode. |
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quote: Originally posted by ppatten:
Didn't Josh propose on her 20th b-day? And then they rushed into marriage three months later so he could relieve those uncomfortable feelings? But, I do think they had been talking via email and phone for a while, if I remember Josh's version correctly.
My point was it seems like everyone is referring to the older girls as if they are almost 30 and aren't allowed to marry yet. They aren't even out of their teens!!! Of course, in their sect, by 20, you are probably considered a spinster.
But I agree with you that TLC is not forcing them to remain single and living at home, taking care of Michelle's kids. JB and Michelle are doing that. I think TLC would love nothing more than another hour-long wedding episode.
Did he? I honestly don't remember. They had been courting for a little while before that, but I don't know how long exactly. I definitely don't consider any of the girls old. I think that they're far from ready to get married anyhow. I certainly hope that JB doesn't start picking out suitors for them soon, and I doubt that he will. They still need all of the older girls around to help raise the youngsters. |
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You know I would think if anyone is keeping those girls home it is their parents. They cannot handle the house without them. That alone is appalling. I think your right TLC would love to have a bunch of wedding episodes but as long as MIchelle keeps having children, it is not going to happen any time soon.
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I think TLC would definitely go for a special wedding, like two or three of the children getting married at once...but, how many Duggar weddings will the viewers get excited about? I'd like to see the ratings...I wonder if they're up or down this season.
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quote: Originally posted by arnaras: quote: Originally posted by ppatten:
Didn't Josh propose on her 20th b-day? And then they rushed into marriage three months later so he could relieve those uncomfortable feelings? But, I do think they had been talking via email and phone for a while, if I remember Josh's version correctly.
My point was it seems like everyone is referring to the older girls as if they are almost 30 and aren't allowed to marry yet. They aren't even out of their teens!!! Of course, in their sect, by 20, you are probably considered a spinster.
But I agree with you that TLC is not forcing them to remain single and living at home, taking care of Michelle's kids. JB and Michelle are doing that. I think TLC would love nothing more than another hour-long wedding episode.
Did he? I honestly don't remember. They had been courting for a little while before that, but I don't know how long exactly. I definitely don't consider any of the girls old. I think that they're far from ready to get married anyhow. I certainly hope that JB doesn't start picking out suitors for them soon, and I doubt that he will. They still need all of the older girls around to help raise the youngsters.
I think they "seem" older because they have so many responsibilities within the family, but if you took them out of the clan, they would probably be about 5 years younger than their chronological age because of the life of isolation. Jana may be more mature, she does seem to be more "adult" I guess because she's the oldest girl. I don't think JB's found anyone suitable for any of them. When one of them said that they had gotten interest from suitors that were "weirdos," I kind of wondered if that was really her perception of them or JB's perception of them. They may have been perfectly nice "fundie" boys who wanted to get to know them, but JB wants to keep them locked up for a few more years and told the girls they were weirdos.  |
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quote: Originally posted by chrislukas:
You can doubt it all you want, but until we see proof, then it is within the the realm of possibility.
I dont see your posts unless someone else quotes you, but I can't believe you have said this. This has been the "anti-Duggar" (your words - not mine) arguement FOREVER. Your constant arguement is that we don't see 24/7 of the Duggar family lives, therefor we can't know. No one KNOWS except for the Duggar family, but everything is "in the realm of possibility" with this family and it is natural to take what we see and extrapolate from there. I believe you just bit your tail with your continual arguement that we just don't know so it can't be true. Laura |
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