was kinda boring? Maybe these trips are just getting kind of old..

I didn't like when some of the younger boys were jumping up and off that lift thing as John David was going up. Not very safe.

It is getting boring. About 5 minutes in, I actually stopped and asked myself, have I seen this one already ? It was nice to see more of John David. I don't know what else Jennifer has to do to tell JB that she doesn't want to go on that stinkin' horse !

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Originally posted by marymarycontrarysp:
was kinda boring? Maybe these trips are just getting kind of old..

I didn't like when some of the younger boys were jumping up and off that lift thing as John David was going up. Not very safe.

I thought it was kind of boring. I was doing my usual cringing when the boys were hanging off that lift. Again, not being supervised around dangerous equipment. Also, I couldn't believe that John-David was not wearing safety goggles. When the Bates came to help cut trees back in the Winter safety was one thing he stressed.

I rolled me eyes (yet again) when Michelle was talking about not getting a horse. Obviously she was joking but still...the woman cannot even care for her own human children. She has no business getting a pet !

It was the same old thing we've been seeing for a while. I thought that it was uncomfortable looking when Michelle was sitting on JB's lap on the train. Then they had to kiss...

That was hardly a farm. A couple of "train" rides and a petting zoo. And, did you notice Jinger on the first "barrel" train, saying how much fun it was...and then the camera pulled back and she was rolling her eyes. Poor girl. I felt sorry for all of the older girls, having to ride in those barrels, being pulled by a riding lawn mower, going in circles around an empty parking lot. And, JD needed eye protection and a helmet, and they needed some yellow caution tape to keep the little kids away from the dead tree and the lift!

It was interesting to hear him talk about maybe having a potential courting target in mind. I wonder who it is???

"maybe" "Potential" "target" Yes, these are good words to describe his response! I haven't seen the whole episode yet but I did catch that part. He seemed pretty noncommital. If I remember correctly his initial reaction was "no" then started in on the hemming and hawing, vague answers. Either he didn't want to get caught in a lie or he was just having a little fun at our expense!

I did like that they showed him working and was actually interviewed. He came across like a regular guy - having lived in the shadow of big brother it's obvious he's headed in the opposite direction.

who else noticed, when michelle and joy anna were sitting on the train together and michelle goes "do you think the duggars could fill up the train some day with more babies and granbabies" or something like that. i'm not directly quoting. but can she go for one episode without bringing up babies? it almost seems like a competition to me.. can the duggars be the largest family in the world... ugh

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Originally posted by marymarycontrarysp:
who else noticed, when michelle and joy anna were sitting on the train together and michelle goes "do you think the duggars could fill up the train some day with more babies and granbabies" or something like that. i'm not directly quoting. but can she go for one episode without bringing up babies? it almost seems like a competition to me.. can the duggars be the largest family in the world... ugh

With grandbabies I am sure they can. With 19 kids the # is endless.

Although I bet most of the kids (especially the girls) will have had absolutely their fill of babies and diapers, and not feel the slightest need to continue such an, erm, uh... illustrious tradition?

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Although I bet most of the kids (especially the girls) will have had absolutely their fill of babies and diapers, and not feel the slightest need to continue such an, erm, uh... illustrious tradition?

Large families aren't a crime. It was the norm at one time and if you can afford them, which they can and did before TLC, and want them, why not?

Never said large families were a crime, mom. I was merely stating my opinion, based on what I know about human nature, and what I've seen on the show.
Do you think the girls will all want large families, once they are able to leave the nest?

Families the size of the Duggars were NOT the norm years ago. I personally know of only one family I would consider super large - my MIL had 12 children in her family.

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Originally posted by th77046:
That was hardly a farm. A couple of "train" rides and a petting zoo. And, did you notice Jinger on the first "barrel" train, saying how much fun it was...and then the camera pulled back and she was rolling her eyes. Poor girl. I felt sorry for all of the older girls, having to ride in those barrels, being pulled by a riding lawn mower, going in circles around an empty parking lot. And, JD needed eye protection and a helmet, and they needed some yellow caution tape to keep the little kids away from the dead tree and the lift!

I agree on all counts. Boring segment, the poor older kids at this small "farm" and JD not taking safety precautions while working a dangerous project. Also, JB consistantly pushing Johanna (I think it was her) to get on the pony when she clearly was frightened to do so. I wish when TLC did not have any great episode ideas; they'd just film "life in the day of".

My kids went thru a very similar thing with ponies at the county fair and I did try several times to get our little ones to ride them. He wasn't pushing her, just wanting her to experience it.

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Originally posted by demor:
Families the size of the Duggars were NOT the norm years ago. I personally know of only one family I would consider super large - my MIL had 12 children in her family.

Look back in history (not talking 20 or 30 years ago), talking centuries into the past before Birth Control. They had the babies God blessed them with.

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Originally posted by bustystclair:
Never said large families were a crime, mom. I was merely stating my opinion, based on what I know about human nature, and what I've seen on the show.
Do you think the girls will all want large families, once they are able to leave the nest?

Yes actually I do. I personally know women who came from large families and went on to love being a wife and mother. No resentment at all.

Birth control has been around forever. I'm pretty sure the first known condoms were around 3,000 bc and were made of things like animal intestines.

Another common method of preventing children was infanticide. So I guess we've come a long way.

Most Christian families had whatever # of children God blessed them with -- much like the Duggars. That was the point of my post.

But everyone sees things differently.

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Originally posted by demor:
Families the size of the Duggars were NOT the norm years ago. I personally know of only one family I would consider super large - my MIL had 12 children in her family.

Look back in history (not talking 20 or 30 years ago), talking centuries into the past before Birth Control. They had the babies God blessed them with.

Because they had no other choice.

Yes today we are bombarded with choices.

Ipods and Nintendo DS's. Blackberries and PDA's. Satelitte Dishes with 300+ channels and all sorts of other "choices".

If we find ourselves pregnant, we have the "choice" if to have it or dispose of it.

If we find ourselves in a marriage that we don't exactly find "fulfilling" we can just disolve it.

IMO this world and all of its choices finds itselves in a moral crisis that the people of the previous century did. For all of our technology and medical breakthroughs (which are wonderful) we have lost alot as well.

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Yes actually I do. I personally know women who came from large families and went on to love being a wife and mother. No resentment at all.

I am from a "super sized" family and I went on to have 1 child that I love being a Mother to and 1 husband (now ex) who was not fulfilling at all and that marriage was dissolved like jello.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
Yes today we are bombarded with choices.

Ipods and Nintendo DS's. Blackberries and PDA's. Satelitte Dishes with 300+ channels and all sorts of other "choices".

If we find ourselves pregnant, we have the "choice" if to have it or dispose of it.

If we find ourselves in a marriage that we don't exactly find "fulfilling" we can just disolve it.

IMO this world and all of its choices finds itselves in a moral crisis that the people of the previous century did. For all of our technology and medical breakthroughs (which are wonderful) we have lost alot as well.

I know. Banning birth control will bring it all back, though.

I'll bet many of those women of the 19th century would have jumped with joy if they'd had access to birth control. And the men, too.

I never said to ban BC. It was ending a pregnancy that had already started that I referred to.

And maybe they would have but we will never know that. I have talked to many people who are elderly, born at the turn of the century who LOVED their large families. Wouldn't trade them for Gold.

I just think life was much simpler then. Women were mothers and loved being a teacher to her children and men went out and provided for the family and they loved being the provider.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
I never said to ban BC. It was ending a pregnancy that had already started that I referred to.

And maybe they would have but we will never know that. I have talked to many people who are elderly, born at the turn of the century who LOVED their large families. Wouldn't trade them for Gold.

I just think life was much simpler then. Women were mothers and loved being a teacher to her children and men went out and provided for the family and they loved being the provider.

I'm not sure if the many women who died in childbirth were that happy about creating a large family.

So many families lived on a subsistence level back then, in desperate poverty, freezing in the winter, working at hard physical labor till their joints wore out, wiith poor dental and medical. Many lived in chronic pain because of untreated ailments.

While you tell me they were happy about all this, I don't see you going back to live that life. I see you sitting in front of a computer, enjoying the pleasures of a modern life you claim to distain.

Can you spell hypocrisy?

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Originally posted by mom9900:
I never said to ban BC. It was ending a pregnancy that had already started that I referred to.

And maybe they would have but we will never know that. I have talked to many people who are elderly, born at the turn of the century who LOVED their large families. Wouldn't trade them for Gold.

I just think life was much simpler then. Women were mothers and loved being a teacher to her children and men went out and provided for the family and they loved being the provider.

I'm not sure if the many women who died in childbirth were that happy about creating a large family.

So many families lived on a subsistence level back then, in desperate poverty, freezing in the winter, working at hard physical labor till their joints wore out, wiith poor dental and medical. Many lived in chronic pain because of untreated ailments.

While you tell me they were happy about all this, I don't see you going back to live that life. I see you sitting in front of a computer, enjoying the pleasures of a modern life you claim to distain.



Can you spell hypocrisy?

I have said in many posts that I am thankful for the many technological advances and medical advances but I disdain the integration of women into the workforce and the shift of mothers having to work instead of being home.

And material things don't buy happiness. Some of the happiest people I know don't have alot of wealth or things but they have love.

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Originally posted by mom9900:
I never said to ban BC. It was ending a pregnancy that had already started that I referred to.

And maybe they would have but we will never know that. I have talked to many people who are elderly, born at the turn of the century who LOVED their large families. Wouldn't trade them for Gold.

I just think life was much simpler then. Women were mothers and loved being a teacher to her children and men went out and provided for the family and they loved being the provider.

I'm not sure if the many women who died in childbirth were that happy about creating a large family.

So many families lived on a subsistence level back then, in desperate poverty, freezing in the winter, working at hard physical labor till their joints wore out, wiith poor dental and medical. Many lived in chronic pain because of untreated ailments.

While you tell me they were happy about all this, I don't see you going back to live that life. I see you sitting in front of a computer, enjoying the pleasures of a modern life you claim to distain.



Can you spell hypocrisy?

And material things don't buy happiness. Some of the happiest people I know don't have alot of wealth or things but they have love.

Then I suggest you get rid of your computer.

Nice try

But no. My husband has to have it for his work and the kids need it for research for school.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mom9900:
My kids went thru a very similar thing with ponies at the county fair and I did try several times to get our little ones to ride them. He wasn't pushing her, just wanting her to experience it.[/QUOTE

You may want to re-watch that segment. JB was definately pushing her to ride that pony! As parents, we all try to encourage our children to attempt things they may have fear of; but he did take it a step too far. His daughter was clearly freighten of the animal...forcing her any longer could have scared her from ever riding one in the future. I'm sure you have incurred such an experience with your children, as most.

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Originally posted by marymarycontrarysp:
who else noticed, when michelle and joy anna were sitting on the train together and michelle goes "do you think the duggars could fill up the train some day with more babies and granbabies" or something like that. i'm not directly quoting. but can she go for one episode without bringing up babies? it almost seems like a competition to me.. can the duggars be the largest family in the world... ugh

If that's Michelle's idea of one-on-one time, I feel sorry for the kids. At least the Gosselins took the kids off away from the others and did something the kid wanted to do.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mom9900:
My kids went thru a very similar thing with ponies at the county fair and I did try several times to get our little ones to ride them. He wasn't pushing her, just wanting her to experience it.[/QUOTE

You may want to re-watch that segment. JB was definately pushing her to ride that pony! As parents, we all try to encourage our children to attempt things they may have fear of; but he did take it a step too far. His daughter was clearly freighten of the animal...forcing her any longer could have scared her from ever riding one in the future. I'm sure you have incurred such an experience with your children, as most.

I went through a very similar circumstance at the county fair and I was probably guilty to pushing her too much in riding the pony not wanting her to miss the experience. Alot of parents have done similar things. Nothing that terrible that I see.

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Originally posted by marymarycontrarysp:
who else noticed, when michelle and joy anna were sitting on the train together and michelle goes "do you think the duggars could fill up the train some day with more babies and granbabies" or something like that. i'm not directly quoting. but can she go for one episode without bringing up babies? it almost seems like a competition to me.. can the duggars be the largest family in the world... ugh

If that's Michelle's idea of one-on-one time, I feel sorry for the kids. At least the Gosselins took the kids off away from the others and did something the kid wanted to do.

Johannah was looking away from her mother the entire time. She hardly looked her mother in the face once. You have to wonder if she even recognizes her.

You have to to wonder if she was just taking every thing in.Remember when she was hamming up being sick she was calling for her mother.

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Originally posted by mom9900:

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Originally posted by demor:
Families the size of the Duggars were NOT the norm years ago. I personally know of only one family I would consider super large - my MIL had 12 children in her family.

Look back in history (not talking 20 or 30 years ago), talking centuries into the past before Birth Control. They had the babies God blessed them with.

I grew up Catholic with a lot of families who didn't practice birth control and the very largest family had 12 kids. Even most of the Catholic families stopped after 5 or 6.

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You have to to wonder if she was just taking every thing in.Remember when she was hamming up being sick she was calling for her mother.

Who did not come.

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Originally posted by katrina28:
You have to to wonder if she was just taking every thing in.Remember when she was hamming up being sick she was calling for her mother.

Who did not come.

And when she made the announcement over the intercom for them to stay inside she said, "Daddy said for everyone to stay inside...." Why couldn't she have the authority to say "Okay kids, I need for everyone to stay inside until the concrete gets poured and dries." The order has to come down from master JB? How dumb. Daddy says, Daddy says......

Most of the time in my house I am the one that gets involved in the discipline of the kids. I make the house rules and enforce them with the kids, etc.... Not because my husband is incapable but because I want things done a certain way or whatever and my husband doesn't really care. He just want the end result to be good. If there is a problem and I am home, the kids will come to me first.
Having said that, I do use Daddy as the voice of authority. If I tell them to do something and they balk or talk back then I let them know that there are consequences and that if we have to get Daddy involved the consequenses will be worse. I want to enforce the respect for daddy while still showing I should be respected as well. They should obey me but if that fails then daddy will make sure they obey plus he's showing his respect and support of me by backing me up when I've told them to do something.

Yes, Michelle has the authority to tell her kids to do something (stay in the house) but I believe her using Daddy shows the kids that the parents are a united front. My kids know that if one of us says something then the other will not negate it - will will go along with what the other said. If we happen to disagree with the way one of us handles something, we'll discuss it alone rather than let the kids think they can play us against each other.

Oh, and as far as the little one needing mommy, I am conviced that at that particular time Michelle and probably the other older girls were out of the house so she wasn't there. I would like to think that as soon as she got home she tended to her. (because none of them were shown during that sceen nor while they were building the slide and I believe the Wilsons were there so the women/older girls may bave gone shopping)

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Location: Ohio
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Posts: 602 Posted 10-24-09 09:35 PM Yes today we are bombarded with choices.

Ipods and Nintendo DS's. Blackberries and PDA's. Satelitte Dishes with 300+ channels and all sorts of other "choices".

If we find ourselves pregnant, we have the "choice" if to have it or dispose of it.

If we find ourselves in a marriage that we don't exactly find "fulfilling" we can just disolve it.

IMO this world and all of its choices finds itselves in a moral crisis that the people of the previous century did. For all of our technology and medical breakthroughs (which are wonderful) we have lost alot as well.

Wow..

Really, all i can say is wow.

mom9900-You are absolutely crazy!

We have the choice weather or not to "dispose" of our baby...Um who are you to say a thing about that...now i understand that obor-tion (might be a trigger word, just in case) is a touchy subject, but I am pro choice. I think it all depends on circumstance...meaning, how far along you are, which means when exactaly do you determine that it is a human life, and there is plenty of room for discussion on that. Also, maybe the girl is in high school? Maybe she was rap-ped (maybe trigger word) and doesnt want to have a ra-pe baby...But all in all i do think women should have the baby and then give it up for addoption (if possible of course)

Also, we have the choice to "disolve" our marriage?...Umm ok, sometimes it just turns out that way. No one wants their marriage to fall apart, but sometimes it just happens. Say you were to marry a great guy and then after you are married, he starts to beat you. Would you stay with him? Well I know that I sure wouldnt!

Thats why we have choices! Its for our own good!

No one wants to get pregnant in high school! No one wants to stay with a man that they dont love! mom9900---you really shouldnt be so narrow minded!