I was really disappointed that they didn't do the PoaT myth even though I'm pretty confident it will fly. But considering how big of a task it is to make a treadmill large enough to test this myth correctly, I hope they didn't show it because they had too much happening and would rather save it for a 2 hour viewer special or something devoting plenty of time to this myth. I think they MB went into the myth thinking it would be a simple myth and realizing that it is actually much difficult to experiment and test correctly to get it right the first time so they don't have to build another treadmill.

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a plane would not be able to take off from a treadmill. even though the wheels would be moving, the plane would, in essence, be sitting still. there would be no wind flow around the wings, hence no lift created by the wind. this all translates to NO FLYING FOR PLANE ON TREADMILL.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the kind of claptrap that makes it so frustrating that the myth was not aired.

Without it finally being proven that the plane will fly- on the show for all to see- we will be dealing with these same misguided posts forever.

Unfortunately Jason, the arguments go just a BIT deeper than that throughout community forums ont he net. Google it and see what you come with.

Still wish someone would at least let us know why the PoaT part was pulled.

kingjason11: LOL now you just made me even more disappointed it didnt air today.

Well this thread has been very entertaining with people wanting to turn into buster on crashed plane on top of a treadmill.

I have just received an email from Dan Tapster, executive producer of MythBusters.

Thanks to all the activity, he can't log in and asked me to post this for him.

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"Adam? Jamie? Dan? Someone step up and tell us what happened tonight."

Dear all,

As wbarnhill called out, I thought I should step in to what is rapidly becoming a hornet's nest. I will try to calm things down but I don't hold out much hope!

First up, for those concerned that this story has been cancelled, don't worry, planes on a conveyer belt has been filmed, is spectacular, and will be part of what us Mythbusters refer to as 'episode 97'. Currently that is due to air on January 30th.

Secondly, for those very aggrieved fans feeling "duped" into watching tonight's show, I can only apologise. I'm not sure why the listings / internet advertised that tonight's show contained POCB. I will endeavour to find out an answer but for those conspiracy theorists amongst you, I can assure you that it will have just been an honest mistake. At one point
several months ago, POCB was going to be part of Airplane Hour. Somewhere, someone has mistakenly posted the wrong listing. It will have been a genuine mistake but nonetheless it was a mistake which is unacceptable. As said I will try to find out what went wrong and hope that you will see fit to forgive the team at Discovery.

Thanks in advance,

Dan

And with that, the entire board is going "READ ONLY" until I can clean up the mess.

MythMod

I hope they pulled the piece after realizing what a cult following it has to be used at a later time...you know, a week where commercials cost more. I don't know, say, maybe XMAS!!!

In the meantime, I am determined to figure the PoaT out myself. Luckily, I have a Cessna 152 at my disposal. Just need a big arse treadmill. haha.

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And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the kind of claptrap that makes it so frustrating that the myth was not aired.

Without it finally being proven that the plane will fly- on the show for all to see- we will be dealing with these same misguided posts forever.[/QUOTE]

this is so stupid. if anyone w/ half a brain would realize, you need airflow for lift. its a simple matter of physics. think about it. go running on a treadmill. does the wind from running hit you in the face? THERE IS NO AIRFLOW. THE PLANE IS NOT MOVING FORWARD. IT IS ESSENTIALLY SITTING IN PLACE, AND THE GROUND IS MOVING UNDERNEATH IT.

i would have been more upset to watch that episode than the one that aired.

and zackkahry, you basically answered your own question. the majority of the planet is uneducated and stupid. any television show that expects to do well has to dumb-down the content, so that the majority of the populace can understand it.

Well, that message from Dan was all I needed to see. He appropriately addressed the issue and did not make excuses.

What I don’t like to see is excuses being made to try to make it look like no one really did anything wrong. But Dan did not do that. So as far as I am concerned we can put this behind us.

But, dang! Now I have to wait another month and a half. It sounds like it will be worth it, though.

Well I'm not entirely satisfied.

As he said, it was in the airplane show like it should have been, then someone at Discovery decided to move it closer to the winter sweeps (February). Some one previously mentioned sweeps for last night's show. The Fall weeks are are in Nov., not December.

I had a "not so bad" post I was just posting last night when Mythmod closed the forum. Lost!

And that's another thing. Was there really anything to fix, or was the Board closed just to avoid the rash of complaints that would have increased with the West coast time slot? Was it just a cooling down time?

Oh, and this:

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As said I will try to find out what went wrong and hope that you will see fit to forgive the team at Discovery.

I can forgive the MB's and team (I noted in my "post that never was" that it couldn't have been Adam and Jamie's fault for programming errors), but NOT the Discovery people! They continue to fall short time after time after time ..., and I'm getting pretty tired of it. I think they are most likely resposible for moving the POAT out of the airplane special.

And to add insult to injury, it seems like WE should be glad to get what we can, so to speak.

The Mythbusters organization does fall short however. I don't think any of this would have happened if they communicated with the members on the board more often. It doesn't have to be cast members, just someone. Dave Barsky gets on the Dirty Jobs Board fairly often. And if anyone (especially members of the show) lets it run through their minds that "Well, Mythbuster's is a bigger show", then maybe this little incident well show you just how wrong you are.

Later! --

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With all due respect, Typ, you are out of line.

The episode was and still is advertised as the POAT episode.

Not airing the POAT after advertising it without even an explanation is unnacceptable.

You cannot get away with misleading people that blatantly without expecting some major feedback from the people you just cheated.

Cheating requires them gaining something. They did not, as it was obviously a mistake. You now know this.

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As far as what they owe us?

EVERYTHING

Without the viewers, there is no show. No viewers, no advertisers. No advertisers, goodbye mythbusters.

By lying to those viewers, MB and Discovery are alienating the very people that make the show economically possible.

See below.

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Interesting you should use the word "rate" as that is exactly what we do, we rate. We are the reason that Disco writes the checks to MB, we are the ones that have to be pleased, otherwise the lameness that is MythBusters loses its funding, no viewer ratings, no advertising $$$$, no more show.

Unless you are one of the ten thousand people that have a Nielson machine then what you watch has nothing to do with how much money Disco or the MB make.

Ya see there are about ten thousand Nielson Machines out there. Advertisers look at what those people are watching, then say, “Well 12.9% were watchng this show at this time so lets pay this much for air time.” Disco then takes how much they are paid and divvy it up. So once again unless you have a Nielson Machine you do not matter (that includes me).

Yes I know. You pay your cable bill, and they divvy up that money and give some to the networks. But what you watch does not matter. So in a sense you are getting a virtually free product from the MB.

But this is all moot. Was the gripping worth it?

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And if anyone (especially members of the show) lets it run through their minds that "Well, Mythbuster's is a bigger show", then maybe this little incident well show you just how wrong you are.

I meant that in terms of appearing not to have time for talking with the fans here or thinking that it's not that important for a big, successful show.

Later! --

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Unless you are one of the ten thousand people that have a Nielson machine then what you watch has nothing to do with how much money Disco or the MB make.

Ya see there are about ten thousand Nielson Machines out there. Advertisers look at what those people are watchng, then say, “Well 12.9% were watching this show at this time so lets pay this much for air time.” Disco then takes how much they are paid and divvy it up. So once again unless you have a Nielson Machine you do not matter (that includes me).

Yes I know. You pay your cable bill, and they divvy up that money and give some to the networks. But what you watch does not matter. So in a sense you are getting a virtually free product from the MB.

I disagree with that. The Nielson ratings are a representative sample. It represents within a certain margin how many people are watching. If a significant number of people stop watching it will be reflected in the representative Nielson. And if the quality of the product drops enough, it will be reflected in the ratings.

They are providing a service. It is not free. Discovery is not a non-profit organization. It is their obligation to the viewers to put out the best product that they can. It is wrong to say that it is "free" so we should not complain if it is an inferior product.

But, like I said. I am satisfied with what Dan stated. Dan is not making excuses so please don't try to make excuses for them. OK?

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Unless you are one of the ten thousand people that have a Nielson machine then what you watch has nothing to do with how much money Disco or the MB make.

There's a variety of ways that Nielson and other metric companies collect data.

Also, the companies who purchase the information can buy different "levels" of detail. I haven't personally seen the really big version (or any other) since the early 80's, but it was huge, and contained more than just diary data.

Later!

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Originally posted by kingjason11:
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And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly the kind of claptrap that makes it so frustrating that the myth was not aired.

Without it finally being proven that the plane will fly- on the show for all to see- we will be dealing with these same misguided posts forever.

this is so stupid. if anyone w/ half a brain would realize, you need airflow for lift. its a simple matter of physics. think about it. go running on a treadmill. does the wind from running hit you in the face? THERE IS NO AIRFLOW. THE PLANE IS NOT MOVING FORWARD. IT IS ESSENTIALLY SITTING IN PLACE, AND THE GROUND IS MOVING UNDERNEATH IT.

i would have been more upset to watch that episode than the one that aired.

and zackkahry, you basically answered your own question. the majority of the planet is uneducated and stupid. any television show that expects to do well has to dumb-down the content, so that the majority of the populace can understand it.[/QUOTE]

This post is hilarious, a stupid person complaining vociferously about the stupidity of others.

You have to laugh. God is he in for some major embarrassment.

-rational-

This thread is NOT for arguing the finer points of this show idea. You're an adult and can confine your comments about this to the appropriate thread. Any other discussion about the show idea PoaT itself will be removed.

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Just to answer a question or two on my end...

I am the one who took the initiative to turn the board into "read only" for the night.

Those who have posted this morning are respectful even though they are not happy. Last night, we had a rash of new members who took it upon themselves to take out their anger and frustration on the board. I can't even begin to tell you how vile the posts were, I have copies of most of them and they used swear words and insults that I couldn't even dream of (and that's going some for those who know me.) These troublemakers flooded the board, which in turn caused some malfunctions with the software. In order to keep the board from crashing and keep those new members from vandalizing the rest of the board if this thread got locked, I locked out the entire board. This also means it was a bit easier to remove the offending posts and clean up the remainder of the mess that had started on other sections as it stanched the "flow of blood" so to speak.

Being upset is one thing, taking that anger out on a message board read by children as young a 8 is NOT appropriate.

I understand the distress that this snafu caused as it was the most anticipated episode of the block advertised. I was not happy either because I wanted to see this!

I appreciate that cooler heads are prevailing this morning, even though there is disappointment.

I apologize for having to take such a drastic measure.

MythMod

Hey people get a grip. If the biggest problem in your life is that they didn't air the PoaT, then you really don't have a thing to worry about. Trust me there are much more important things for you to be complaining about. This was just a little mistake in that they didn't change the TV/Website listings. I am sure that all of you that are complaining has never made a mistake in your life.

theTroll

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I am sure that all of you that are complaining has never made a mistake in your life.

I have made plenty. But I don't make excuses for them. I am glad to see that Dan didn't either.

But you are right. In the grand scheme of things this is pretty minor.

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I can't even begin to tell you how vile the posts were, I have copies of most of them and they used swear words and insults that I couldn't even dream of (and that's going some for those who know me.) These troublemakers flooded the board, which in turn caused some malfunctions with the software. In order to keep the board from crashing and keep those new members from vandalizing the rest of the board if this thread got locked, I locked out the entire board.

Thanks Mythmod. I kind of thought it was something like that. Sorry things were so bad for you (though it does demonstrate to the powers that be just how indispensible you are . I think it's time for that raise, don't you?)

Maybe you could forward those removed posts to Discovery anyway, just to keep them "informed".

Later!

So, how many here think they are merely 'fixing' the segment in post in order to get the desired result before airing it?

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Originally posted by theSpecialist:
So, how many here think they are merely 'fixing' the segment in post in order to get the desired result before airing it?

According to Dan it has already been filmed.

What desired result do you think they want to get, anyway?