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Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
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I have a few complaints about this, as well as a few of the other ninja myths. First off, in an actual human hand, there are bones, making it much more stiff, not floppy as the balistics gel suggests. Also, the hand never followed through after the "slap." I believe the slap would be more of a push, moving the hand in a semicircle, rather than a small arc. Another suggestion: try moving the hand at different angles, rather than just straight down.
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Member
Registered: 06-11-07
Posts: 8
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quote: Originally posted by sigguy:
I'm sorry, I'm a "gun guy" and love when you guys do gun myths, but I think you need to have a firearms expert on staff or at least on the speed dial. Some of the things you say about various matters involving guns is confused, partly wrong, or sometimes completely incorrect. Granted, you do get a lot right, I think you need some help.
For this test, there was just a minor problem, but the slowest 9mm bullet available is much slower than 1250fps. With a quick search, I was able to find 147 grain 9mm ammo from Fiocchi at 975 fps. Even at 115 and 124 grains, I can find velocities less than 1250 fps. This wouldn't bug me, only Grant said that, "the slowest 9mm load they have is 1250 fps." Now Grant might have meant by "they" the store at which the ammo purchase was going to take place, but he didn't say that, rather, he made it seem that it was the slowest available.
Sorry to be a nit-picker, but I just thought I could help/annoy. I really do love the show and have since it started. Keep up the good work.
Very true, there are slower 9mm on the market. They appeared to be using CorBon brand ammo on the show. (1250-1500 fps per manufacturer website) Although I really don't think bullet speed matters that much in the myth. quote: Originally posted by animematt:
I have a question...
The first time they went to the range..what was the problem? Guns do not fire in the same place everytime. You aim at the same place and you get a cluster. Right?
So what did they do to try to correct whatever problem they were having?
The problem was they were using a "homemade rig" that didn't hold the gun properly. That bothered me from the start of the test. They should have used a commercially available gun rest that would have put the shots in nearly the same spot every time. And guys, you don't need a remote controlled electronic device to fire the gun. A simple piece of string across the trigger will work just fine. In fact, when I see bench tests done on shooting TV shows, that's all they use. |
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Registered: 08-23-07
Posts: 13
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I've got a complaint about the hand slap also. Not sure if someone said this allready, but:
1:Try puting ther hand at another angle
2:Try swating the bullet like Tori did with the paintball, kindof sideways, not straight up and down.
Now, Obvisoulsy, with the palm faceing the ground, you won't delfect it very much as they showed (less area for the bullet to hit), but if you angle it [Same idea on Abrahms tanks with bullets, or the F/A-22 with the radar deflection(in a way)] It will deflect bullets better. Also, swinging the arm somewhat from the side, it will help delfect it even more by moving it away from the body.
This is just my siggestions, I have no idea of knowing if I'm correct with these suggestions.
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Registered: 08-28-07
Posts: 36
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I first want to say that me and my friend just shot metal air soft bullets at each other that had been customized to shoot 550 fps and they were alot smaller than paintballs or bullets but we deflected them using a gloved hand. It took awhile but we did it and yes we were safe about it. Anyways three things wrong. The arm needed to be more powerful not faster I suggest a spring holding the arm back so it takes more psi but it is more powerful like muscles. Second when my friend and I were trying to deflect the bullets we moved our arms across our chest because then we had to push the pellet less than if we pushed it down. Finally if you look at the hand in the high speed, it is bending at least 1/2 an inch back which Im pretty sure no hand does. I suggest adding bones or something along those lines to the hand.
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Registered: 08-28-07
Posts: 9
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quote: Originally posted by felbi:
It's supposed to be a Ninja's hand. You should use a steel plate in place of the hand, if not at least concrete. That would surely deflect the bullet.
Your whole problem here is the ninja hand is not like a piece of steel or even concrete it is like a pice of flesh like any other hand. Ninja's who go through special training do have hardened hands but they are still not even as hard as cartilage. The "Iron hands" training is just to stiffen the skin to increase damage to the rival and less damage to the hand of the attacking ninja. |
Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
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OK. Did anyone notice that the "ninja's" left hand was on his right side with the thumb out? I think that would make a difference because the thumb side's muscle are arranged differently than the heel, which is what I think would be used.
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Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
Posts: 3
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You could also use a slower bullet...
The 9mm projectile they used flies at 1250 fps. There's is another bullet that travels 300 fps slower than the 9mm.
If you fire a .45 cal bullet from a m1911 pistol, it only flies at about 945 fps.
I heard you could catch it in a well-oiled baseball glove. : )
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Senior Member
Registered: 11-16-05
Posts: 7361
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It doesn't really matter how the hand is arrainged, or how hard the skin/flesh is, even a "lowly" .22 lr. projectile will penetrate deeply.
I have seen many deer killed with the "lowly" .22, mostly from side on chest shots, through the lungs. Some even penetrated so far they were just under the skin on the far side.
A .45 ACP projectile will penetrate quite a few inches in flesh. Your hand is what, about 1-1/4" through the palm, and about 4" across?
Think about it.
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Senior Member
Registered: 11-16-05
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quote: If you fire a .45 cal bullet from a m1911 pistol, it only flies at about 945 fps.
I heard you could catch it in a well-oiled baseball glove. : )
A baseball glove? Please, tell me that you are joking! |
Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
Posts: 2
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I also have a suggestion to the episode. Today I was watching how its made. it was on snowboard jackets, and i noticed that there was a fabric cutting machine. the man cutting the fabric though had a hand protector on one of his hands near the blade. it looked like a small chain mail fit for a hand. i believe that maybe a ninja wore one of those to deflect a bullet, so i demand a re episode with a chain mail hand protector!
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Junior Member
Registered: 09-06-07
Posts: 2
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oh and also this myth might be from years ago where guns were not as powerful so how could you say it travels at that speed. what speed did bullets fly lets say a hundred years ago?
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Senior Member
Registered: 11-16-05
Posts: 7361
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quote: what speed did bullets fly lets say a hundred years ago?
It depends on he cartridge. An 1873 .45 Colt velocity with black powder was around 1000 feet per second, and an 1894 .30 WCF. (.30-30 Winchester,) with smokeless powder was around 2000 feet per second. Lots of variables as to cartridge size, case capacity, bullet weight, etc. Still and all, they were powerful enough to kill you, or a game animal. |
Junior Member
Registered: 09-07-07
Posts: 1
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It is possible to catch an arrow. “standing at a distance of 26 ft (8 m) from two archers, Anthony Kelly (Australia) caught 36 arrows in two minutes in Beijing, China, on December 15 2006” – Guinness Book of World Records 2008.
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Junior Member
Registered: 09-08-07
Posts: 1
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A Video I was on youtube shows that a Katana can cut a flying 9mm bullet. And this would make more sense for a ninja to use a sword then his hand.
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Registered: 05-03-07
Posts: 8
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I'm sorry, but myths like this are a waste of time. If a ninja can't catch an arrow, he can't swat away a bullet. This myth was over before it began.
It's a waste of the viewers time if you do myths that have 0% of being true. Pick another myth to test!
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Senior Member
Registered: 07-27-06
Posts: 859
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It was neat to see them prove this myth wrong and they put a lot of effort into it.
There is no way that a person could block or deflect a bullet. Even at a had loaded speed below 1200 FPS.
Think of how much force is behind the bullet. The bullet weighs 115 grains and moving at 1200 FPS so that's a lot of force and as others have said human flesh can not take that much force.
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Senior Member
Registered: 03-16-07
Posts: 2182
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quote: i believe that maybe a ninja wore one of those to deflect a bullet, so i demand a re episode with a chain mail hand protector!
The reason chain mail and suits of armor were originally abandoned is because with the advent of firearms, the bullets would cut right through them. They became useless, just as they would be today trying to deflect bullets. Later!  |
Senior Member
Registered: 03-16-07
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quote: oh and also this myth might be from years ago where guns were not as powerful so how could you say it travels at that speed. what speed did bullets fly lets say a hundred years ago?
I think this myth is from "years ago", but only about 37 years or so. I still say that this came from a spy movie from the late 60's or early 70's, and was made up by the screenwriters and not based on any particular "ninja myth" about deflecting bullets. Later! |
Senior Member
Registered: 03-16-07
Posts: 2182
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quote: Majmattmason, I have your film info - you were right about the title of the film, it indeed was called "In Like Flint", was a spoof of the film "Our Man Flint", was released in 1967 and indeed DID star James Coburn, so kudos to you for your incredible memory!
Just FYI, if you're now hankering to watch that film again and see just what they did do to foil their bullet-spitting foes employing super-human nimbleness you can find it to rent for a reasonable monthly price at Blockbuster.com, and if you just want more info about the film itself (like a list of the cast, name(s) of director(s), as well as a fairly complete synopsis of the plot and how it spins out) *I think* you can access all that information as a visitor or a guest
I know about the "Flint" movies and that James Coburn was in them. What I'm not sure of is whether or not the bullet deflecting scene was in them. And most plot synopsis I've looked don't normally get that specific about every scene in the movies. I only remember bits and pieces of the movie. I just can't seem to put my finger on who played the main character and the name of the movie. After all, I only remember seeing it once almost 40 years ago. It could well have been Robert Culp, Patrick McGoohan, or Robert Vaughn (not an U.N.C.L.E. movie). I just can't remember. What I do remember is that deflecting bullets with their hands was a fairly major part of the movie. And it WAS NOT a ninja movie, it was more of a spy movie. I'm pretty sure that this is where the myth comes from, and was just made up by the screenwriters for the film. Thanks for taking the time to look that up though. Later! |
Senior Member
Registered: 08-28-07
Posts: 54
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URGENT: Remember in the "ninja catching a sword" thing? Using the ninja claw? A Ninja may actually be able to slap away a bullet if he has one of those on, it would still be "slapping" the bullet, ninja style.
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