This definetly works they were using a ring that was imprinted rather than raised so it didnt work lol! i would have thought that was obvious!!!!

the ring they used was a negative imprint, not a positive one thus making an imprint harder to achieve on a negative because the skin would have to go into the imprint of the ring rather than with a positive imprint where the skin could simply mold around the ring! HA! MYTH IS STILL PLAUSIBLE

if you do not understand the positive/negative concept please follow the bellow link, where the black is raised up and the white is empty space.

http://www.dreamcraftstore.co.uk/acatalog/NEGATIVETREES.jpg

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If this myth was based on the Phantom character, he used some kind of ink to leave his mark. He actually had two rings: one for bad people and one for friends. The bad guys he let go would get one mark, and his friends another. I really don't think they would remain friends if he left the mark by belting them in the head.


ok, but what about the fact that they made the ring moulde backwards, the ring juted out, it was more like them punching the face with a plate, and expecting the lil logo to come off in his head, how bout putting some edges on it, or what about a ring that was sharpened like a knife? not to mention getting hit in the cheek where there's less bone and more tissue?

the ring they used was a negative imprint, not a positive one thus making an imprint harder to achieve on a negative because the skin would have to go into the imprint of the ring rather than with a positive imprint where the skin could simply mold around the ring! HA! MYTH IS STILL PLAUSIBLE

if you do not understand the positive/negative concept please follow the bellow link, where the black is raised up and the white is empty space.


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even with a negative imprint, if u did it on a less rdged part,ie cheek as opposed to forehead,

sorry to be off topic, but all my links led me here to post a new idea....
hey, jaime and adam! i got one for ya to bust:
i was told by my tatooist that i should try to eat jello prior to coming in to get inked because it would supposedly 'thicken' my blood and i wouldn't bleed as much while getting my tat.
has anyone heard this 'myth'? i can see where it might be true, but then again it sounds kind of sketchy. i'd be interested to see the outcome, and i'm here if you need a volunteer!

Sorry, just saw this episode. Just wanted to say, wouldnt the blood and live skin of a person leave a welt or brusie with the ring mark? They used skin with no blood or anything in it.

THE RING SOLUTION.
The ring would need to have a positive imprint, I mean, raised impression with a rounded skull shape which need to have a slightly raised contour and perhaps, slightly jagged, like a biscuit cutter. But it should not cut a piece, just enough to let a mark.
If it is needed, use a alive anesthetized pig, but without pity.

ps: HAHAHAHAHA

I am the head of Surgical Pathology at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda. The Myth of the Phantom's ring is completely plausible but not remotely test-a-ble, as you would have to have a live test subject willing to be punched with a ring with a raised skull. Either temporarily by bruise or permanently by hemosiderin deposition, that kind of tattoo is possible. I have seen the occurrence of tattoos by window glass, bumper edges, and even cloth fiber imprints in skin, so I am positive that this is fact.

My kids love your show (ages 5, 8 and 10) and you make science, engineering and math fun and exciting. I got an engineering degree before I went to medical school and I and happy that science is interesting to them.

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Originally posted by apollysis:
The test for the ring impression was not complete, it did not take into account the underlying blood vessels, it may not be a brand but a mark would remain. I know this from experience as a child when while playing I was kicked by someone else in the face and I was left with a clear imprint of the sole of the shoe on my face.

When a person is hit hard enough, be it with a kick, punch, fall what have you... blood vessels under the skin burst and bleed into the soft tissue under the skin causing bruising. Even though, at times, you are unable to see it in normal light You can change the spectrum of the light to a different degree of light (black light for example) to show the bruising.

i know this is possible.
i know what they did wrong. for starters the impression that the ring would leave world be a bruise. there was no way that they would get that result with their test. they had a skull and some skin. all they managed to do was crush that skull.
you need muscle and fat to show the impression and to try it on a live person because bruises don't really show on dead pigs carcasses.

One more thing - the "STUFF" behind the skull. The Skull was crushed, but the general make up behind the Skull is Plasma, brains, etc... acting as Shock Absorber that prevents a serious problem ... the poor skull took the hit without the cushioning. Someone OWES that skull an apology (who's skull was that!)

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Originally posted by UltraViolet:
they got the myth wrong by not using a ring with a raised impression.

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Originally posted by princess4:
Been reading the Phantom for years, and it is the ink in the bad ring that won't wash off.

Actually it is BOTH. In the Charlton Comics version of the character (1969-1977) the mark was explained as being the combination of the skull being raised and coated with a special ink that would not come off.

I believe this myth is possible. About 4 years about I was sparing with my friend and he punched me as hard as he could in the chest. And since then I have had a weird skin discolor at that spot. Now to note when i watch the myth there was a few things that didn`t make sense. 1. it was dead skin so it can`t bruise. 2.It was loosely hanging off the head. Meaning a effective punch would just roll off. So you are not even getting the full force of the punch. So what i am trying to say it they tried to prove the myth with a bad method. And about the only thing they could do is have someone willing to take a full force punch to see if it leaves a mark or not. Cause that about the only way you can see if it is accurate or not.

once again, the mythbusters completely miss the point of the myth. they get too excited to make a robot n break things and dont think it through. they were trying to make a ring punch an imprint on dead skin. not taking into account that the myth wasnt about dead skin stretched tight. i get they want to break things for tv- i mean, i enjoy watching things blown up n destroyed just as much as the next guy but come on!!! this is simple, press the ring against ur skin, you will see a mark. iv seen this happen in real life, a friend of mine got punched on his cheek area. there was a W or M mark from the guys ring. it was a bruise, a lighter area outline- but it was very clearly a letter. they could have punched eachother on the arm n had the result. instead they somehow thought dead skin would act the same as live skin with fat, muscle and flowing blood.
how could that minor detail slip past their researchers producers and finally the cast. and when i say minor, i mean MAJOR.

Gah, they just showed this one here..

Anyway, the first phantom got the evil ring by the alchemist Paracelsus, and it is filled with a mild toxin made by the bandaries, and when the phantom wants to give someone the mark, he opens a latch that releases the toxin on the ring which according to Lee Falk's story causes the skin to scar in the shape of the ring, and he doesn't have to punch hard...

I think they missed that part.. :P

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Originally posted by smartypants1988:
thane36425
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Registered: 10-16-05
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Posted 08-30-07 10:59 AM Hide PostReply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
If this myth was based on the Phantom character, he used some kind of ink to leave his mark. He actually had two rings: one for bad people and one for friends. The bad guys he let go would get one mark, and his friends another. I really don't think they would remain friends if he left the mark by belting them in the head.


ok, but what about the fact that they made the ring moulde backwards, the ring juted out, it was more like them punching the face with a plate, and expecting the lil logo to come off in his head, how bout putting some edges on it, or what about a ring that was sharpened like a knife? not to mention getting hit in the cheek where there's less bone and more tissue?

i have only just seen this episode and i totaly agree whti the above poster the ring was negative and should of been positive

i have actually found that my class ring will leave an impression on my arm by applying minimal force. hopefully i can figure out the web cam so i will be able to send a video showing. one possibility that i have thought of is that because by ring is convex with recesses.

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Originally posted by mythmod:
Can a superhero's ring leave an impression on the bad guy's head?

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MythMod

You guys are leaving out one factor..BLOOD FLOW. If you get punched in the eye it will swell up. Now I know a person who was hit buy a similar ring and it left an imprint or bruise of the shape that was on the ring.