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"You have helped me to see that I wasn't just being overly sensitive to their postings."
Jetta, thanks for the kind words. Its amazing that one gets challenged on your opinion by others who seem to want to persist and badger.
Good luck and lets hear some more!!!

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I would appreciate you not posting on this site anymore, seeing as how it is an ANIMAL site. As I have said, you have leant nothing to the conversation where animal protection, care or rescue are concerned. And I think I would speak for many others who just don't care about your "miss manners" attitude. Unless it has to do with animal heroes - don't post! You have now begun to waste our time.

Not a chance. When someone gives their opinion and a bully tries to intimidate them out of it, then yes hopefully you will find me speaking up and being a Little Miss Manners or whatever those other words were that you tried to compare me to. You say "don't post unless it has to do with animal heroes." it appears you also mean "unless it agrees with me also."

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I thought we were on an upswing...

This is a public forum... and no one is excluded from posting here.

All opinions are welcomed - as long as they are done with maturity and respect for all. It's the program we're discussing... not each other.

Anyone have anything else to add regarding this episode? Thanks.

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I apologize to you mod_kelly - you are right. All should post. But THANK YOU for bringing what I said to light. This post board is to discuss THE PROGRAM, not eachother. And so far, "rdsatkaycee" has added nothing to the mix regarding the show, which I thought was about the wellbeing and protection of animals.

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It is so easy to get fired up after watching just about any show that has animal cruelty or shows any type of animal that is suffering! I can honestly say that when my husband needs to vent about the day he had I do my best to listen. More times then not, though, I am just angered, not even realizing that he is the one that needs to vent, NOT ME!! I always knew what my husband did but I HAD no idea what he really did until I saw the show for myself! I was shocked to say the least!! I have since learned to shut my mouth as best as I can; and that is not an easy thing to do with my Latina blood!

( lol ) But I have to remember how much they all go through to protect and help as many animals as they can!

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"starsoapandcandle" - well said! It is so easy to get fired up about this topic. Also - maybe you can help me since your husband does this for a living. I'm not sure where else to turn. My sister lives in a southern state (I will not say which). There is a dog in her neighborhood that is kept in a pen in a backyard and was purchased exclusively for hunting. Well - it is basically a concrete slab surrounded by a fence. Not enough room to run at all. Also, he is out there day and night - not even let out to go to the bathroom. Every time I go over there to check on him there are several piles of feses that he is having to step around. He has no collar, so I am not even sure if he is vaccinated. He does have an insulated dog house, but no pad or blankets are in it. Most of the entrance to his dog house is chewed off in the front due to the obvious reason he has no toys and I'm sure has pent up energy like no other. He is around 3 years old and is a yellow lab. This past summer I called animal control because he was out there in 90+ degree weather without water. They came out and wrote up a citation and left explaining that he had it much better than most. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I tried to look up the animal laws of their state and couldn't find anything. I was raised in the south and I hate to admit it, but pets very often are property, not pets. And let's face it, that part of the world is definitely "behind the times" in many areas, which is why I don't live there anymore. It angers me to no end. OK - so he's not being abused, but wouldn't you call that neglect? Please advise.

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I can honestly say that when my husband needs to vent about the day he had I do my best to listen.

That wouldn't be Andy would it ???

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Originally posted by starrsoapandcandle:
It is so easy to get fired up after watching just about any show that has animal cruelty or shows any type of animal that is suffering! I can honestly say that when my husband needs to vent about the day he had I do my best to listen. More times then not, though, I am just angered, not even realizing that he is the one that needs to vent, NOT ME!! I always knew what my husband did but I HAD no idea what he really did until I saw the show for myself! I was shocked to say the least!! I have since learned to shut my mouth as best as I can; and that is not an easy thing to do with my Latina blood! ( lol ) But I have to remember how much they all go through to protect and help as many animals as they can!

Actually, I think it is important not to lose perspective in any avenue of animal rescue. The EAMTs are on the front lines of having to deal with all this stuff. Anyway, we all need to vent once in a while. It's what keeps us sane. I am so glad I have my cats to come home to after a tough day.

I have a lot of respect for your husband as I do for all the EAMTs. They have a tough job to do and as I stated before still manage to come to the aide of other groups as well. This is the kind of relationship all the rescues should have. All of them have the same goal and that is rescuing the animals. They just take different paths to get there.

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I can honestly say that when my husband needs to vent about the day he had I do my best to listen.

That wouldn't be Andy would it ???

Yes. She is married to Andy Starr. He is a pretty nice guy when you meet him.

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rdsatkaycee~
Yes Andy is my husband. I was in no way trying to hide that, I just used my "StarrSoapAndCandle" name because that is what I do for a living

~AKA~ Animalrescue910.
I just didn't want Andy to ever be judged based on my feelings or comments on any issue! There are times were we don't agree at all!! But it makes for some interesting conversations and not just the usual "How was your day dear" ~LOL~
lilianna123~
I did ask Andy the question you had and I feel that it would best be answered by him! I am in no way on their level in terms of the law. He is their Manager, and will be able to help you much faster then I could and the quicker you can get this information the faster you can help that animal in need!! (most important)

~animalrescue910~
First what you need to do is find out who (what organization or agency) does animal cruelty investigations in that area. It is not always the local animal control. (It isn't where we are in Phoenix, and I know that some other cities are the same.) Contact them and go from there. Unfortunately, what is acceptable under the law does not often agree with what we would like. It is possible that the situation you described is "legal" even though you think it is negligent or cruel. As far as finding out the relevant animal cruelty laws, most states have them online. If it is a larger municipality you could try the website www.municode.com. They have the local laws of many cities posted there. You just have to go to the "Online Library" section and click on the appropriate state. It will then show you a list of the cities whose laws are posted. Often local laws are more stringent than state laws. I hope that helps. Andy

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Catprotector~
By the way Very Cool Comments! Thank you

And keep up the great work that you do!!

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Originally posted by starrsoapandcandle:
rdsatkaycee~
Yes Andy is my husband. I was in no way trying to hide that, I just used my "StarrSoapAndCandle" name because that is what I do for a living ~AKA~ Animalrescue910.
I just didn't want Andy to ever be judged based on my feelings or comments on any issue! There are times were we don't agree at all!! But it makes for some interesting conversations and not just the usual "How was your day dear" ~LOL~
lilianna123~
I did ask Andy the question you had and I feel that it would best be answered by him! I am in no way on their level in terms of the law. He is their Manager, and will be able to help you much faster then I could and the quicker you can get this information the faster you can help that animal in need!! (most important)

~animalrescue910~
First what you need to do is find out who (what organization or agency) does animal cruelty investigations in that area. It is not always the local animal control. (It isn't where we are in Phoenix, and I know that some other cities are the same.) Contact them and go from there. Unfortunately, what is acceptable under the law does not often agree with what we would like. It is possible that the situation you described is "legal" even though you think it is negligent or cruel. As far as finding out the relevant animal cruelty laws, most states have them online. If it is a larger municipality you could try the website www.municode.com. They have the local laws of many cities posted there. You just have to go to the "Online Library" section and click on the appropriate state. It will then show you a list of the cities whose laws are posted. Often local laws are more stringent than state laws. I hope that helps. Andy

I found this site to be helpful in listing the animal cruelty laws in each state.

http://www.animal-law.org/statutes/index.html

I would note that many of the animal cruelty statutes out there are not severe enough. Here in Arizona the animal cruelty law has way too many loopholes and a person who commits an act of cruelty against an animal seems to get away with the crime by either pleaing it down or getting a slap on the wrist. It shows you just how bad our system of justice has become when protecting the animals.

Ultimately, every animal cruelty law put in the books starts in the state legislature but they are often not strong enough.

They need a zero tolerance law to send a clear message that animal cruelty will not be tolerated, and if you abuse an animal you will be punished. The problem with that is if you try to create a law there will be too many people complaining about it not being fair.

I'm pretty sure such a law would be fair for the animals and bring those who commit acts of cruelty to justice. Maybe someday this will happen.

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Catprotector~
By the way Very Cool Comments! Thank you And keep up the great work that you do!!

NP. Thanks for the acknowledgment and your comments. My work is a peace of cake compared to what the EAMTs have to go through. I do take pride in my job though. Every cat needs a protector.

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Yes Andy is my husband.

Saw him on TV Monday night. Nice looking gentleman. I'm sure your proud of him as you should be. Somewhere here several months ago I commented about how much I liked Phoenix show. I still do, very well. I have noticed they really make use of their small camera---looking for dogs in pipes and cats in the sidewalls of houses.

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Yes Andy is my husband.

Saw him on TV Monday night. Nice looking gentleman. I'm sure your proud of him as you should be. Somewhere here several months ago I commented about how much I liked Phoenix show. I still do, very well. I have noticed they really make use of their small camera---looking for dogs in pipes and cats in the sidewalls of houses.

That small camera is called a Snake Cam and it is a tool they use quite frequently for rescues. The AHS only has one. They are pretty expensive but come in very handy.

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Thank you Andy, and "catprotector" for your support and information. I am on the case!! I have also found a lady in my mothers neighborhood (they live close to my sister) who is a volunteer with the Humane Society and she has gotten involved and promised to investigate. My sister thinks I am "butting in" and my mom thinks I should "mind my own business". I replied with the fact that she should be proud that she raised a daughter that could not turn her back when she saw anyone, humans or animals, in need. That's so much of the problem with this world in my opinion - we wait for someone else to take care of it, instead of speaking up ourselves. Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox

! Thanks again for all the help!

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NP. Happy to help. I hope it works out. As for the soapbox, I think it needs to be washed. Too many people have used it.

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I'm not sure what that means.

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I'm not sure what that means.

It was humor.

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Originally posted by jettapony:
I am completely confused about why these people are considered heros. I ...was appalled by the techs lack of action concerning the puppies that were attacked by bees. First they show her doing nothing once the decision was made to call the police. ... Watching her move so slowly getting ready to transport them was painful to see. Then every puppy died?! What? How the hell does that make any of them heros? They did nothing above and beyond the call of duty.

I see that neither of your critics has bothered to address your actual questions: Why are they called 'heroes,' and why did they move so slowly?

I don't know their agenda, other than to justify whatever they see on Animal Planet. I've noticed that the term 'hero' has become popular in TV marketing over the last few years (since 9-11). If a producer uses "heroes" in a title, it might attract more viewers who expect something heroic.

Is wearing a uniform 'heroic'? That would make the UPS driver a hero. The guy who puts tires on my car wears coveralls with his name embroidered on the front, so he's a hero, too.

These Animal Rescue 'hero' shows are not designed to inform but to attract non-critical viewers using maudlin sentiment as a manipulative technique.

"Ohh, look at those poor little puppies!" (or kitties, etc). It's all emotion, no useful content. Apparently, emotion and mawkish sentimentality are enough to attract some viewers. The rest of us look for something else with useful content. Good luck.

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