Some are quoting a figure of 100,000 animals a year extra that would have to be dealt with if there was no-kill, and you're asking for cable TV?!?!?!? Give us a break and get real. How about just letting them live?!?!?!?
I do not speak for either of the organizations that I volunteer with and because I don’t want anything I say to be construed as such, I’m not going to state which organizations those are.
From those that I've talked to regarding your situation, it does come across that you are harboring some resentment towards AHS. But your feelings should probably be directed towards the production company.
I'm sure you realize the relationship between AHS and the media is not something that developed overnight. This is something that has been in the making for 50 years. With the exception of AAWL, I know of few other groups in the state of Arizona that have been around anywhere close to that time period.
By no means am I putting any group down but is it possible that the lack of coverage these other groups get is their own fault? When it comes to the media, you have to be relentless. Media releases need to be created and sent constantly. You need to make connections. It has nothing to do with money. There are many news releases that AHS makes that don’t go anywhere but their website. Nobody picks up on them. As much as I wish animal stories were in the news everyday, there is not enough space given everything else going on in the community and the world.
Do you think its fair to expect AHS to sever the media ties they have worked so hard to build just so someone else can “have a chance”?
I think you have to look at where the majority of the media coverage that AHS gets comes from. Besides their adoption programs, AHS is named in the Arizona State Emergency Response and Recovery Plan and as part of the Maricopa County Emergency Operations Plan, they are responsible for pet rescue in disaster areas. They are involved in cruelty cases. They operate the Second Chance Hospital for injured strays and of course there is their one of a kind EAMT program.
While this is not the full scope of the services that AHS offers to the state, you have to realize that the groups that you love to support (and I don't mean that negatively) are either shelters or rescue groups. Their focus is solely on adoptions and by nature, that limits their appeal to the media. Unfortunately, the media doesn't see as much of a story in the sterilization of 10,000 feral cats as they do in the cat and her kittens that were glued to the floor by thugs who broke into a warehouse or the cat that was dragged by a rope on State Route 51.
Nobody here is belittling what the no kill groups do but you also need to look at this realistically. Kitten season is here and I can’t even begin to fathom how many bottle babies come into AHS or Animal Care & Control during this period. 1,000? 2,000? AHS is currently looking for an additional 200 foster parents because they don’t have enough to meet their current needs. Bottle babies are EXTREMELY difficult to foster and the majority of people in this day and age can’t give them the time they need. I foster but I know I can’t get up every 4 hours to feed them and make it to work the next day. What about when I’m at work? There is no way in heck that the rescue groups out there are equipped to handle all of the bottle babies that AHS and AC&C have to euthanize. Kittens are born constantly and unfortunately, foster homes aren’t just going to fall from the sky everytime a litter is born.
There IS a coalition of groups here in Maricopa County. Its called the Alliance for Companion Animals and they are working together in order to obtain a Maddie’s Fund grant. The lead agency is the Arizona Animal Welfare League and other groups included are Maricopa County Animal Care and Control; Friends for Life Animal Sanctuary; H.A.L.O Animal Rescue; Noah’s Ark Animal Rescue; Second Chance; Cat Help and Rescue Movement, Inc.; Dog Rescue; Foothills Animal Rescue, Inc.; Sun Cities Animal Rescue and the Arizona Humane Society.
In regards to AC&C having to euthanize animals because of space constraints, there have been months where this has not been the case. You have to realize the needs of AC&C are very different from other organizations. For one, they are a government entity. Second, though this is in regards to dogs, they are required BY LAW to intake all strays. This puts huge pressure on them in regards to space.
In a perfect world, AHS and AC&C would be able to take FELV+ or FIV+ cats and put them up for adoption. Both have enough trouble adopting their healthy animals however. FELV+ or FIV+ cats are special needs cats that need extra resources that are just not there when you take in 50,000+ animals. How many people are going to adopt one of these cats when they have negative cats already in their home? To steal a comment recently made by AAWL’s President, “Do you sacrifice the lives of 20 for 1?”
The South Mountain Campus was not built in response to no-kill groups. When it opened, AHS said it was built with the public in mind. Most shelter facilities were built 30+ years ago and even you agree they are depressing. Because many people avoid shelters for that reason, South Mountain was built to draw the public in and to deter them from going to pet stores for animals. Though I don’t recall the exact number, I believe the last study I saw indicated that less than 20% of people get their pet from a shelter.
Is it any wonder shelters are euthanizing with an abysmal number like that?
Their cats do not need Satellite/Cable TV. I have to agree with the previous poster that its not a wise use of donor funds. The videos they are shown contain images that cats enjoy – birds, squirrels, etc. They also have classical music played for them.
I’m sure every organization would like to have a facility similar to South Mountain. Heck, even AHS wants a facility like South Mountain to replace their Sunnyslope location. But you know what? THEY DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD IT. They may have a large amount of donations but every dime is spent.
Do you have one of the Arizona Spay/Neuter plates by any chance? If not, you should get one because $17 of the plate's $25 fee goes into a fund that provides grants for the spay/neuter efforts of all welfare groups. For example, AzCATs recently published that they received a $6,000 grant from plate sales. We can thank AHS for those plates because they gave the money for the plate’s start up costs. Last I saw, $174,000 has been raised and granted from its sale.
It might not be a bad idea to watch the AP show with your cats. Past episodes have featured AzCATs, a German Shepard rescue group and a ferret rescue group. To say small groups are overlooked in the production of the show is incorrect. They too are receiving attention because of the program. Though I know its not to the degree that you want, even a one minute segment gets them exposure to a NATIONAL audience. And the reason AHS is featured is because they are the ones with the EAMT program. If 4PAWS had an EAMT program, maybe they would have the show.
If you keep doing something the same way you always have, you’re always going to get the same result. X needs to stop whining because Y has this and Z needs to stop whining because they’re mad at something that Y did. If these smaller groups want to separate themselves from the bigger ones, fine. But it would be less of an uphill battle if everyone would stop worrying about what the other group was doing and work on the true sources of the pet overpopulation problem.
This is my last post on this issue because I know its not going to die and the same argument keeps getting posted. Each organization does what they can with their budgets and each has their own focus. There’s a reason AzCATs doesn’t have an adoption program. Bottom line is a $15 million dollar budget won’t save all of the animals, a no-kill nation isn’t going to solve the problem and AHS falling off the radar isn’t going to suddenly open up the floodgates for other groups to take over.
That’s it – I’m done. Sorry for the long post everyone but I wanted to get everything out there because this is the last I'm saying on the issue!
i'm in the same position you are, being a volunteer with an open-door policy shelter, and a major one, here in California. advanced cat TLC work. i work with the ones who have some issues that we want to help them overcome to either STAY in Adoptions or GET INTO Adoptions. i can't mention its name either.
but i can say this: we care about every one of them very much at the individual level, and they get every chance and as much help as we can give them, staff AND volunteers AND fosters AND rescue organizations with which we have a number of links. i'm sure this is a pattern with shelters like yours and with other fine shelters across the country.
and it infuriates me that these nokill advocates who have no appreciation for the flood of animals fine open door shelters like ours receive every year and how hard we fight for each animal KNOCK the open door shelters, even the best ones. they have no idea: there simply aren't enuf qualified humans to help every single animal despite strenuous recruitment efforts.
someone here said that the key is cooperation between organizations. i heartily agree. the broader the net of cooperation, the more animals we can all save.
starr
keep up the great posting. i who have no involvement with the AHS celebrate Andy's and all the EAMTs' work. the new episodes last week just underscored what a terrific team that is there.
my compliments and warm regards to all of them.
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Originally posted by blueshirt35: I do not speak for either of the organizations that I volunteer with and because I don’t want anything I say to be construed as such, I’m not going to state which organizations those are.
From those that I've talked to regarding your situation, it does come across that you are harboring some resentment towards AHS. But your feelings should probably be directed towards the production company.
I'm sure you realize the relationship between AHS and the media is not something that developed overnight. This is something that has been in the making for 50 years. With the exception of AAWL, I know of few other groups in the state of Arizona that have been around anywhere close to that time period.
By no means am I putting any group down but is it possible that the lack of coverage these other groups get is their own fault? When it comes to the media, you have to be relentless. Media releases need to be created and sent constantly. You need to make connections. It has nothing to do with money. There are many news releases that AHS makes that don’t go anywhere but their website. Nobody picks up on them. As much as I wish animal stories were in the news everyday, there is not enough space given everything else going on in the community and the world.
Do you think its fair to expect AHS to sever the media ties they have worked so hard to build just so someone else can “have a chance”?
I think you have to look at where the majority of the media coverage that AHS gets comes from. Besides their adoption programs, AHS is named in the Arizona State Emergency Response and Recovery Plan and as part of the Maricopa County Emergency Operations Plan, they are responsible for pet rescue in disaster areas. They are involved in cruelty cases. They operate the Second Chance Hospital for injured strays and of course there is their one of a kind EAMT program.
While this is not the full scope of the services that AHS offers to the state, you have to realize that the groups that you love to support (and I don't mean that negatively) are either shelters or rescue groups. Their focus is solely on adoptions and by nature, that limits their appeal to the media. Unfortunately, the media doesn't see as much of a story in the sterilization of 10,000 feral cats as they do in the cat and her kittens that were glued to the floor by thugs who broke into a warehouse or the cat that was dragged by a rope on State Route 51.
Nobody here is belittling what the no kill groups do but you also need to look at this realistically. Kitten season is here and I can’t even begin to fathom how many bottle babies come into AHS or Animal Care & Control during this period. 1,000? 2,000? AHS is currently looking for an additional 200 foster parents because they don’t have enough to meet their current needs. Bottle babies are EXTREMELY difficult to foster and the majority of people in this day and age can’t give them the time they need. I foster but I know I can’t get up every 4 hours to feed them and make it to work the next day. What about when I’m at work? There is no way in heck that the rescue groups out there are equipped to handle all of the bottle babies that AHS and AC&C have to euthanize. Kittens are born constantly and unfortunately, foster homes aren’t just going to fall from the sky everytime a litter is born.
There IS a coalition of groups here in Maricopa County. Its called the Alliance for Companion Animals and they are working together in order to obtain a Maddie’s Fund grant. The lead agency is the Arizona Animal Welfare League and other groups included are Maricopa County Animal Care and Control; Friends for Life Animal Sanctuary; H.A.L.O Animal Rescue; Noah’s Ark Animal Rescue; Second Chance; Cat Help and Rescue Movement, Inc.; Dog Rescue; Foothills Animal Rescue, Inc.; Sun Cities Animal Rescue and the Arizona Humane Society.
In regards to AC&C having to euthanize animals because of space constraints, there have been months where this has not been the case. You have to realize the needs of AC&C are very different from other organizations. For one, they are a government entity. Second, though this is in regards to dogs, they are required BY LAW to intake all strays. This puts huge pressure on them in regards to space.
In a perfect world, AHS and AC&C would be able to take FELV+ or FIV+ cats and put them up for adoption. Both have enough trouble adopting their healthy animals however. FELV+ or FIV+ cats are special needs cats that need extra resources that are just not there when you take in 50,000+ animals. How many people are going to adopt one of these cats when they have negative cats already in their home? To steal a comment recently made by AAWL’s President, “Do you sacrifice the lives of 20 for 1?”
The South Mountain Campus was not built in response to no-kill groups. When it opened, AHS said it was built with the public in mind. Most shelter facilities were built 30+ years ago and even you agree they are depressing. Because many people avoid shelters for that reason, South Mountain was built to draw the public in and to deter them from going to pet stores for animals. Though I don’t recall the exact number, I believe the last study I saw indicated that less than 20% of people get their pet from a shelter.
Is it any wonder shelters are euthanizing with an abysmal number like that?
Their cats do not need Satellite/Cable TV. I have to agree with the previous poster that its not a wise use of donor funds. The videos they are shown contain images that cats enjoy – birds, squirrels, etc. They also have classical music played for them.
I’m sure every organization would like to have a facility similar to South Mountain. Heck, even AHS wants a facility like South Mountain to replace their Sunnyslope location. But you know what? THEY DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD IT. They may have a large amount of donations but every dime is spent.
Do you have one of the Arizona Spay/Neuter plates by any chance? If not, you should get one because $17 of the plate's $25 fee goes into a fund that provides grants for the spay/neuter efforts of all welfare groups. For example, AzCATs recently published that they received a $6,000 grant from plate sales. We can thank AHS for those plates because they gave the money for the plate’s start up costs. Last I saw, $174,000 has been raised and granted from its sale.
It might not be a bad idea to watch the AP show with your cats. Past episodes have featured AzCATs, a German Shepard rescue group and a ferret rescue group. To say small groups are overlooked in the production of the show is incorrect. They too are receiving attention because of the program. Though I know its not to the degree that you want, even a one minute segment gets them exposure to a NATIONAL audience. And the reason AHS is featured is because they are the ones with the EAMT program. If 4PAWS had an EAMT program, maybe they would have the show.
If you keep doing something the same way you always have, you’re always going to get the same result. X needs to stop whining because Y has this and Z needs to stop whining because they’re mad at something that Y did. If these smaller groups want to separate themselves from the bigger ones, fine. But it would be less of an uphill battle if everyone would stop worrying about what the other group was doing and work on the true sources of the pet overpopulation problem.
This is my last post on this issue because I know its not going to die and the same argument keeps getting posted. Each organization does what they can with their budgets and each has their own focus. There’s a reason AzCATs doesn’t have an adoption program. Bottom line is a $15 million dollar budget won’t save all of the animals, a no-kill nation isn’t going to solve the problem and AHS falling off the radar isn’t going to suddenly open up the floodgates for other groups to take over.
That’s it – I’m done. Sorry for the long post everyone but I wanted to get everything out there because this is the last I'm saying on the issue!
I hope so. I'd say making me the bad guy has got to be getting pretty boring for most of you. In response to your question of the lack of media coverage of the smaller groups being their own fault, that isn't true. Some groups admittingly don't know who to contact but the ones that we network with do indeed send out press releases but as far as the media's concerned, their events are non-existant. In regards to the AHS severing ties with the media to give another group a chance might not be such a bad idea in some respects. Certainly they can encourage the media to cover those groups that might otherwise be overlooked. I do see the AHS is starting to do a little bit of that by inviting these groups on Pets On Parade. But still it's time the media started recognizing other rescue groups.
Look at Bowl-a-Rama. This event brings out many no-kills to come together to raise money for their various groups. It happened to be on the same weekend as the PetTelethon and although the no-kills reached their fundraising goals the AHS got the major local media attention. Bowl-a-Rama however did get smaller attention thanks to AzCATs and their radio show The Animal World and Cat Galaxy also promoted it because our station also broadcasted it as the show was happening. Sadly, late last year The Animal World left the airways and isn't coming back. Part of the reason was AzCATs couldn't afford to keep doing it. A real shame because that show was a good voice to have in the rescue community.
As far as a coalition, thank you for the reminder about The Alliance For Companion Animals (I forgot about them) but that also only brings some of the groups together in Maricopa County. Not all of them. You also forgot to mention AzCATs is a voting member as well as the Animal Defense League.
Thanks again for bringing up the Arizona State Emergency Response and Recovery Plan. But why aren't the other groups not listed or a part of that plan? Does the AHS intend to take on all the animal cases alone when a disaster strikes? I think all of the groups that want to should be included in that plan. They shouldn't be left out of it. This once again goes back to the no-kills and smaller groups being forced to play a minor roll in this community.
I have to disagree once again. No-kill works and many groups across the country have proven it. Besides, if the no-kill theory didn't then the AAWL wouldn't have lasted 36 years in this community.
As for the show, it may feature the EAMTs but if they are going to call it AP: Heroes then you need to include all the groups. Perhaps Animal Planet should just rename it to AP: The AHS or something but that still wouldn't solve the problem of groups being excluded. It's too bad Steve Irwin passed away, he was great at including many non-profit wildlife rescue groups on his show and was the perfect example of embracing equality on his show.
I've watched AP: Heroes since the beginning and don't recall AzCATs being featured at all. Which episode was that? There was never any mention on the AzCATs web site about an appearance on the show. Mention of them also doesn't appear in the episode guide anywhere. The only episode that I recall is someone who had a house full of cats that were feral and that episode reported they were euthanized.
As for the spay/neuter plate, no I don't have one on my car but would've gotten one if they had a plate that had a cat on it without the dog. I do give to groups like AzCATs though every year because I know my money will go towards a good cause and I know exactly that they use my money for the purpose they are saying they are using it for. Another reason I never got the plate is that the committee that is supposed to oversee the fund has no no-kill rescue as a part of the committee.
You make mention of the AHS operating costs. According to Charity Navigator which tracks many of the groups, the AHS has net assets of $22,131,480. Their total revenue is $11,662,269 and their total functional expenses is listed at $11,063,660. The head of the AHS Cheryl Naumann has listed as her salary $239,723. That's pretty incredible right there, and if you ask me, a pretty excessive salary for the head of a non-profit animal rescue organization. You mentioned a waste of donor dollars so I thought I'd point that bit of info out.
As for the government agency issue, according to AC&C they get no money from either the state or Maricopa County. All of their money comes from public and private donations. I feel that should be mentioned.
In regards to FELV+ cats it's important to note that these cats can live long healthy lives with treatment and should go to homes that either doesn't have cats or already has cats that are FELV+. There are groups out there that will take these special kitties in.
I think having satellite or cable TV for the cats to enjoy in the shelter isn't a bad idea for the cats. How would you feel if you were forced to watch the same thing day after day? They already have internet access at the shelter already so piping that stuff into the cattery is pretty easy. For music they can play them Cat Galaxy. Not every cat is thrilled with classical sounds and as our station has proven, cats like a wide variety of music.
Hopefully this discussion will die a quick death because I've pretty much said all I want to say and have proven my point.
Animal Cops Houston had a segment on last night about a no-kill place. It wasn't too appealing. Why were they there? To round up all the cats and dogs that wern't being properly cared for. These animals were hoarded.
well, you know the drill. a well-intentioned person takes up rescuing animals, sets up a rescue, does well by the first ones, but before one knows it, the number of animals just grows and grows and grows, in part thanks to people who find out about it and dump their animals outside the place and run, until it is out of control and the rescuer is in full denial, by then locked in to the animal hoarder mentality, which is now a recognized psychiatric disorder, thanks to the animal cops and investigators documenting and discussing it over the years.
there's an interesting Dr. Phil show, whose discussion you might find interesting, about two collectors, one a cat collector, that aired in mid-November last year and ran as a repeat on 03/07. the public discussion is on his site, under header "Topic : 03/07 When Too Much is ... Too Much".
the interesting thing about the discussion is how many members of the public defended this woman. sentimentality has its place in the animal trade too, but unfortunately it rules much of the posting over there. people hear "nokill" and they seem to think some animal welfare equivalent of "holy". many of us posting here know better....
and at least that one last nite on AC:H wasn't at all as bad as it gets - you've seen the other collector stories on that series and others. and at least they managed to talk her around to reducing the population by about half, thru various means. and all the cats were at least gotten outta there, i think (Max wanted them all, but Charles seemed more inclined to just get the sick ones out, which, Charles, ahem, was all of them - that URI had done its trick even if outward signs had not yet set in on some of them).
And let me say in general that no one has "proven any point"s. One of the big downsides of non-profits (my 40 year career was spent in an unrelated non-profit, so I know whereof I speak) is intra- and inter-organizational politics. And while a lot of the discussion here includes factual information, it's still all at bottom political - spinning facts to promote a position.
That's why no one is "right" and no one is "wrong", really. In this case, each agency discussed here undoubtedly has its upsides and downsides - none are ideal, and none should be promoted as such.
And perhaps this largely well-mannered and unusually (for these boards) articulate discussion here will, if nothing else, inform readers of the complexity of the overall animal welfare trade environment and of how organizational politics can be used as both a boon and a barricade in the cause.
Originally posted by rdsatkaycee: Animal Cops Houston had a segment on last night about a no-kill place. It wasn't too appealing. Why were they there? To round up all the cats and dogs that wern't being properly cared for. These animals were hoarded.
There's a big difference between a legitimate no-kill organization and a hoarder. I think it's unfair to group the two together.
Yes, animal hoarding has now been classified as a form of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD), which sounds very strange but makes sense if you think about it. Hoarding animals is about control -- not love -- to these people. Anyone who loved animals would not allow them to be in such horrific conditions.
I agree that this forum has turned into a really great interaction and discussion area. And I think most everyone agrees that no group is perfect and no group can do it on their own ... EDUCATION is key!! And persistence!! Thanks everyone for such well thought out ideas!!!!
Originally posted by lorla: I agree that this forum has turned into a really great interaction and discussion area. And I think most everyone agrees that no group is perfect and no group can do it on their own ... EDUCATION is key!! And persistence!! Thanks everyone for such well thought out ideas!!!!
Ok. Let's let loose the snakes and see how many EAMTs will actually rangle them.
"You seem to have a very strong dislike for the AHS and their policies. Also, you seem to only criticize the show." Quote from Starr on March 25. Appears as though she was right.
Really, Catprotector, it had just finally become a friendly forum where you weren't getting attacked ... Why must you cause such discord?? Especially after everyone stayed quiet when you said you wouldn't buy the license plate to support all the local animal funds simply because there is a picture of a dog on it ... So you want to save every cat, but forget about the dogs?
Originally posted by lorla: Really, Catprotector, it had just finally become a friendly forum where you weren't getting attacked ... Why must you cause such discord?? Especially after everyone stayed quiet when you said you wouldn't buy the license plate to support all the local animal funds simply because there is a picture of a dog on it ... So you want to save every cat, but forget about the dogs?
I'm sending the snakes your way....
Here we go again. For a moment I thought this discussion was going to end yet a couple of people want to keep the attacks going. I have every right to be pro cat and happily serve them. You're staying silent? It seems to me that you and rdsatkaycee are now trying to cause this discord. You can think what you want about me because I stick up for the no-kills but I hardly see how fanning the fames of a flame war will cause any good here.
I said my peace and moved on. I guess the question is, why can't you? As for the snakes, I guess you missed the recent episode where the EAMTs had to take a snake course, then you would have seen where that joke came from.
I did see that episode ... But maybe the way you worded the snake comment was not the best because at least two of us took it to mean that you were putting the EAMT's down ... Sorry if I took that the wrong way then...
Well, certainly if I had a vehicle, I would not disdain a license plate holder if it had a dog as well as a cat on it, I just love all animals and merely happen to specialize in cats.
But to each their own. The plate holder issue seems a rather minor matter not worth attention, especially given the voluminous and frequently very interesting posts Catprotector has put up on more important matters.
And I still think that the overall discussion was very useful, especially for those readers who are new to animal welfare trade issues. Articulate debate always promotes learning.
Originally posted by karenkat05: Well, certainly if I had a vehicle, I would not disdain a license plate holder if it had a dog as well as a cat on it, I just love all animals and merely happen to specialize in cats.
But to each their own. The plate holder issue seems a rather minor matter not worth attention, especially given the voluminous and frequently very interesting posts Catprotector has put up on more important matters.
And I still think that the overall discussion was very useful, especially for those readers who are new to animal welfare trade issues. Articulate debate always promotes learning.
You Hit The Nail Right On The Head! If we all thought the same acted the same felt the same, what a boring world this would be! I have dogs and cats and at one time or another we had well you name it we had it!~lol~ I guess what I am trying to say is to the outside person reading all of our different opinons, they really show how much most of us care, some love dogs some love cats and some both! We all love them all in our different ways and to all of the EAMT's that will rescue any animal with a heart, they are blind to that and EVERY animal is treated with the same care. Their main goal is to respond to them all and I love them for that! SS&C
Originally posted by starrsoapandcandle: You Hit The Nail Right On The Head! If we all thought the same acted the same felt the same, what a boring world this would be! I have dogs and cats and at one time or another we had well you name it we had it!~lol~ I guess what I am trying to say is to the outside person rerading all of our different opinons, they really show how much most of us care, some love dogs some love cats and some both! We all love them all in our different ways and to all of the EAMT's that will rescue any animal with a heart, they are blind to that and EVERY animal is treated with the same care. Their main goal is to respond to them all and I love them for that! SS&C
I have to totally agree with Stars and Karen when it comnes to love of animals. My household consists of two dogs (one a rescue), one rescue cat, and one rescue corn snake.
My first love is Nitro Fish (dog). I got Rossco as a rescue and he is a fine companion for Nitro Fish. I jokingly say that I work to support my volunteer habit. I spend a lot of time with the local spca and a dog rescue group.
Belle (cat) was another rescue. Cats aren't my first choice but I will never allow abuse to any animal. Belle lives the good life and is now eleven years old. When she passes, I probably won't get another cat.
Then there is Barney (corn snake). By taking him (not sure if it is a he or a she) in, we prevented him from being flushed down the toilet.
As I stated before, I will not tolerate abuse to any animal and I will do what I can to help any animal. To quote the book, I love "All Creatures Large and Small."
