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Registered: 10-01-09
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Go back a few hundred years to when bow and arrow were the main projectile weapon used in combat, if your hit with a arrow is it better to push it through your body the rest of the way and risk peircing vital organs or is it better to pull it out and risk the possibility of pulling out organs, this would actually be pretty simple to test, just make sure Kari isnt around or she might puke, shoot a pig in the stomach and first try pulling the arrow out then try pushing it through, see what one does more damage, I would also suggest using multiple types of arrow heads.
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Registered: 02-18-09
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You don't have to hit a vital organ. You simply need to nick a major blood vessel. And, you didn't mention if you want to take into account modern surgical techniques or stick with techniques of the period.

The most common means of extraction seems to be pulling the arrow out, with a caveat: the entrance wound is widened to remove the arrow.

And, they pretty much tested this on the episode asking why prehistoric man used arrowheads instead of sharpened sticks.

"wild west" arrow removal

arrow wounds

Stone ArrowHead vs Sharpened Stick

Ancient Arrows
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Originally posted by budichai:
You don't have to hit a vital organ. You simply need to nick a major blood vessel. And, you didn't mention if you want to take into account modern surgical techniques or stick with techniques of the period.

The most common means of extraction seems to be pulling the arrow out, with a caveat: the entrance wound is widened to remove the arrow.

And, they pretty much tested this on the episode asking why prehistoric man used arrowheads instead of sharpened sticks.

"wild west" arrow removal

arrow wounds

Stone ArrowHead vs Sharpened Stick

Ancient Arrows


Depends on the arrowhead I would say.. If the arrowheads extraction can cause the wound to become worse, then pushing it through is better..

Then you can cut the arrowhead off and pull the shaft out...
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No medical techniques at all, Just simple push it through and pull it out, 500 years ago in Japan if you were in a major battle you wouldnt have time for any medical techniques, you would make a split second decision to pull it out push it through or leave it and hope you survive till the end of battle, I saw the episode your talking about Budichai but it wasnt what I am asking, in that my they were testing the wound from the arrow after it was shot, I am asking about the best method of removing that arrow. I would suggest using a stone arrow head, and normal modern arrow head, and one of those arrow head that has the button on th tip and when it goes in it opens four blades.
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Registered: 09-30-08
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They would do this on XENA: Warrior Princess. If an arrow penetrated deep into the body, Xena broke off the fletching, pushed the shaft and arrowhead out the other end, and then seared the wound (all the way through) with a hot poker to stop bleeding and stave off infection.
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You didn't look at the links? Pulled out was the method of choice.

An instrument called beluleum was invented during the long Peloponnesian War, over four hundred years before the Christian era. It was a rude extracting-forceps, and was used by Hippocrates in the many campaigns in which he served.

Greek medical instruments
Iapyx the mythological son of Daedalus or Lycaon Aeneas' healer during the Trojan war (who escaped to Italy after the war and founded Apulia) removing an arrowhead from Aeneas thigh using a forceps.

He used a specialized surgical instrument for removal of arrows, known as “the spoon of Diokles” after its inventor Diocles of Carystus, a student of Aristotle.



Pushing it through and you run the risk of hitting other, undamaged blood vessels. You are making a bigger wound open to infections, on two sides.

No surgical options? Cut the shaft and leave it in place until you do have a surgical option. The Wild West article said 6 out of 7 people died from their arrow wounds, so your odds are not that great anyway with multiple arrow shots.
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Originally posted by budichai:
You didn't look at the links? Pulled out was the method of choice.

An instrument called beluleum was invented during the long Peloponnesian War, over four hundred years before the Christian era. It was a rude extracting-forceps, and was used by Hippocrates in the many campaigns in which he served.

Greek medical instruments
Iapyx the mythological son of Daedalus or Lycaon Aeneas' healer during the Trojan war (who escaped to Italy after the war and founded Apulia) removing an arrowhead from Aeneas thigh using a forceps.

He used a specialized surgical instrument for removal of arrows, known as “the spoon of Diokles” after its inventor Diocles of Carystus, a student of Aristotle.



Pushing it through and you run the risk of hitting other, undamaged blood vessels. You are making a bigger wound open to infections, on two sides.

No surgical options? Cut the shaft and leave it in place until you do have a surgical option. The Wild West article said 6 out of 7 people died from their arrow wounds, so your odds are not that great anyway with multiple arrow shots.


It all depends on the arrowhead... An arrowhead with barbs that turn backwards wouldn't be safe to pull out since that would exacerbate the wound.. Just like pulling out a fishing hook would exacerbate the wound (that's why most people prefers to push the hook through, cut off the barbed end and THEN pull the hook out..)

But otherwise it is safer to pull the arrow out directly, THAT I would agree upon..
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I think it would just depend on how deep the arrow penetrated. If it was only a shallow penetration due to your armor then you certainly wouldn't want to push it through more of the way. However if the arrow is already sticking out the other end then no harm in breaking the fletching and pulling it all the way through. Which is the same thing they can hope for in gun shot flesh wounds, that it was a clean through and through. Also the reason why hollow-points are illegal in war. Increase survivability from wounds.
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A slightly related myth that I heard is that an arrow from an English longbow could bass through a man. This would be with no armor naturaly as metal does disabate some of the force and at close range.
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It is also dependent on where the arrow hit the body.

You may be more willing to push an arrow through an arm or leg. They are a lot easier to amputate and arm than a lung.
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Registered: 02-18-09
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Originally posted by CitizenGKar:
It all depends on the arrowhead... An arrowhead with barbs that turn backwards wouldn't be safe to pull out since that would exacerbate the wound.. Just like pulling out a fishing hook would exacerbate the wound (that's why most people prefers to push the hook through, cut off the barbed end and THEN pull the hook out..)

But otherwise it is safer to pull the arrow out directly, THAT I would agree upon..


I will agree with that, but the OP was "Go back a few hundred years..."
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