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Registered: 05-03-09 | What i think it was is a prototype for a plasma craft engine, it was tested in a secret location in poland in WW2 they only found the testing ground, what do you think it is? |
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Registered: 02-15-08 | Nazi Bell?
Ava Braun? |
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Registered: 01-16-07 | Some information on this would be helpful for us to make some assessments.
Do you have any links or other references to this? |
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Registered: 05-13-06 | quote: Some information on this would be helpful for us to make some assessments.
Give Google a whirl searching for Nazi Bell Plasma Vortex Craft or just plain old Nazi BeLL Craft or Nazi Bell Anti-gravity craft. It is one of the lesser known UFO CT's out there. It was recently featured on the History Channel program, "UFO Hunters". The so-called circular "testing ground" turned out to be identical to the bases of water towers at other factory sites in the area. The so called testing ground was minus the tank for the water of course, but it was located on a dismantled/destroyed industrial complex. Other industrial areas had full water towers with bases that exactly matched the construction of the so called "testing ground". The Nazi Bell and its Plasma Vortex tech is just another unfounded CT "myth". Thank goodness that the UFO Hunters has that one cynic on the team or "everything" would be "for real". Disclaimer: I just watch UFO Hunters for the entertainment. It is funny as hell when the main guy takes a "smudge in the dirt" and immediately jumps to the conclusion that it is proof of human/alien hybrid aircraft being built by the USA or New World Order.  |
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Registered: 05-03-09 | |
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Registered: 05-03-09 | vary little is known and info is hard to find |
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Registered: 05-16-09 | Yeah the Nazi Bell was a primitive ADS breeder reactor in my opinion.
It was a vertical standing contra rotating centrifuge inside a toroidal induction coil. Inside the contra rotating drums was place Mercury which fluoresced under induced high voltage energy fields. At the core in a 15cm diameter beryillium flask (inside a porcelain container) was placed a quantity of Thorium peroxide and mercury. As it spun the mercury ions excited the Thorium to fission and by the uptake of slow neutrons was transformed to U233 which the Nazis were seeking for an atomic weapon.
The Nazi Bell bypassed a difficult uranium enrichment process to attain the A-bomb.
The project was managed by SS Obergrupenfuhrer Emil Mazuw who died as an east German citizen in 1987. The Bell was developed by two top secret SS research groups, SS-E-IV and SS-U-13.
After the war wartime tunnel engineer Anthon Dalmus and tunnel construction manager Xaver Dorsch provided considerable detail about a huge complex of tunnels build next to the village of Jedlina Zdro. Labour was provided by KZ Gross Rosen.
Hope this helps ?
By the way it was nothing to do with anti gravity or UFOs. That was just disinformation by Jakob Sporrenberg during his interrogation by the KGB in 1950/51 (before being executed). |
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Registered: 05-13-06 | You got any links to back all that up Gerlach? |
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Registered: 05-16-09 | Depends which specific part of my post you want references to ?
The nuclear science is quite straight forward. under the effect of mercury ion plasma Beryllium becomes excited and donates neutrons. We know from accounts of the Nazi Bell that Beryllium oxide and Thoroium oxide were placed in flasks at the core of the Nazi Bell.
We also know the Bell was a pair of contra rotating drums on a common vertical axle. Inside each drum was mercury which fluoresced when bombarded by a toroidal coil around the outside. We know of this induction coil from Dr Otto Cerny who worked on the Bell and later in the 1960s for NASA. We also know the bell was cooled by liquid Nitrogen and was only spun for 2 minutes per experiment. We further know that people within 150 metres died from radiation poisoning.
Like any ADS reactor, they only fission if you bombard them with Protons. You should be able to Google for ADS reactors.
Igor Witkowski in his book Wunderwaffe cites from SS Obergruppenfuhrer Jakob Sporrenberg's testimony to the KGB in 1950/51 taken from previously classified Polish archives and another unnamed survivor of the Reise Complex.
For information about the Reise complex itself the Robert Bosch Foundation has collated interviews with surviving KZ inmates. |
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Registered: 05-16-09 | Unfortunately there are no published references that the Bell was an ADS reactor because this is a new and novel explanation for the Bell's purpose. Scientists working on the Bell included Karl Wirtz, Kurt Diebner and Walter Gerlach all of whom were central to efforts by Heereswaffenamt to develop an Atomic Bomb for the Nazis. Some links: ADS Breeder Theory Wikipedia Joseph P Farrell has done some meticulous research and work with Igor Witkowski. I recite some of their factual claims for the Bell as they cite from archival sources, but my conclusions differ. They slavishly stick to Sporrenberg's claim that the bell was an anti Gravity device which I dismiss as pure disinformation for his Soviet interrogators. The science suggests it was an ADS breeder reactor. Brotherhood of the Bell Farrell Black Sun |
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Registered: 05-13-06 | Thanks. Sounds like it still boils down to "we" don't really know what its purpose was. |
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Registered: 05-16-09 | Former Marine you could say we have no idea what the rings of Saturn are made from, but we have a fair idea.
An Austrian scientist who called himself Ronald Richter ended up in Argentina after WW2 and continued developing a similar concept on Isla Huamuel near Barriloche, an alpine town which sheltered former Nazis.
In 1951 he announced to the world press that it was a device to create cheap nuclear fusion. The United States applied huge pressure on Argentina to shut down the research station and the laboratory was dismantled and used for Argentine Air Force target practice.
Dr Karl Wirtz who worked on the Nazi Bell visited the Argentine project in 1950 to work with Richter.
You could say that we the public don't know, but given that scientists Kurt Debus, Otto Cerny and Walter Gerlach were all recruited to work for Operation Paperclip after the war, you can be assured that the US Government knew and enough fragments have emerged to put together a very fair idea what it is.
Thorium was mined at Gluszyca just 5 kilometres from the Bell's laboratory in the Reise complex. Scientists known to have worked at the complex like Kurt Diebner were known to be employed in a Heereswaffenamt project to develop a Nazi A-bomb and we know this from many other sources.
I accept that you don't know much about the Nazi atomic weapons project and I also accept you're unlikely to be convinced no matter how much evidence is unearthed. |
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Registered: 05-13-06 | Wow, thanks for the put down at the end there.
It still stands that with even educated supposition. We still have no idea of the intended purpose of the Bell.
The ADS theory is at least more plausible than the others, I give you that. |
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Registered: 10-14-09 | I think this is the most plausible explanation by far. The only thing I'm still wondering about is how Sporrenberg, who was not a scientist, new to use such disinformation. Such arcana would be beyond my grasp to recall, much less organize, and dole out. |
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Registered: 03-29-07 | I'm pretty familiar with Operation Paperclip and Operation Alsos and what they found. I find it laughable that the Nazis had any exotic nuclear technology since they hadn't succeeded in building a minimally functioning reactor or a weapon. When Heisenberg was being held captive in England after the war, he sketched out a b0mb based on the news from Hiroshima and got several details so wrong it wouldn't have functioned. Sounds like a complete load to me. |
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Registered: 10-14-09 | Help me grasp this, Gerlach...So, there is a toroidal induction coil that excites a liquid alloy of Thorium Dioxide and Mercury?...So, it wouldn't be a hard lump on the bottom of the chamber?
Then, the chamber it's immediately encased in is made of beryllium? I know you mentioned the source of the thorium, but where would a 15cm. flask of beryllium come from?
Thorium is a weak alpha emitter...I'm not sure how well it is at soaking up slow neutrons, but I'd assume it's fairly weak in this case, as the neutrons would be going outward from the chamber as the alpha particles, emitted radially, would hit the beryllium flask...Even centrifuged, how do we get neutrons floating into the chamber?
And if you can help me understand where Sporrenberg got his disinformation, I'll consider the case closed.
P.S. I misspelled "knew" when talking about Sporrenberg before. Ha ha |
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Registered: 10-14-09 | Oh, I think I'm getting it...It was the Mercury ions exciting both the Thorium and the Beryllium that allowed them to both decay...Still, it sounds like a crummy set up for enrichment.
Could it be that both Thorium and Beryllium were ground up, and dissolved in the Mercury and that the mercury was a carrier fluid to the Berrylium and Thorium? It might possibly be liquid. The 4 valence electrons of Thorium, combined with the 2 valence electrons of Beryllium and 2 of Mercury would make a "stable octet"...I know that it's implied with Galinstan. |
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Registered: 10-14-09 | i heard it on history channel |
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Registered: 10-14-09 | Shoot, I don't get the history channel...Do you know if it's online, Jamie Jr? |
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Registered: 09-12-10 | The Bell project grew out of Dr Ronald Richter's work for Krupp in 1936 developing a plasma electric arc furnace for carbide production. Richter ventured from to developing alkaline batteries for U-boats and discovered the radioactive effects of plasma on Lithium.
In 1942, he was invited to participate in the Nazi A-bomb project. The project under Heereswaffenamt was then known as Projekt Thor. Following the bomb plot against Hitler on 20 July 1944 the SS took over Thor and it was renamed by the SS Armaments Research department (FEP) as Projekt SS/1040, codenamed Charite Anlage. A number of engineers from AEG and Seimens who were expert in high voltage systems participated in constructing the Bell, including Cremer, Debus and Cerny.
The Bell was a spherical Tokamak generator housed under a large bell shaped ceramic hood. |
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