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For those of you who don't know, I own three Great Danes. I have one who's turning four, his year old son, and then a pup we'd purchased in February. The puppy is an interesting girl. She eats mud. Now, I've had pups that ate grass and nibbled at dirt and mulch, even moss. But, not to this extent. This girl will eat so much mud that she actually has muddy bowel movements. The vet can't explain it, and even if I correct her, she goes right back to scarfing it down. She's well fed and gets plent of excersize. (I work 3rd shift and we have an active family, so at least they get walked 2-3 times a day.)

Any suggestions? Thanks!
 
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For those of you who don't know, I own three Great Danes. I have one who's turning four, his year old son, and then a pup we'd purchased in February. The puppy is an interesting girl. She eats mud. Now, I've had pups that ate grass and nibbled at dirt and mulch, even moss. But, not to this extent. This girl will eat so much mud that she actually has muddy bowel movements. The vet can't explain it, and even if I correct her, she goes right back to scarfing it down. She's well fed and gets plent of excersize. (I work 3rd shift and we have an active family, so at least they get walked 2-3 times a day.)

Any suggestions? Thanks!
 
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Would you please let me know what you find out? Both my dogs will sit and just eat dirt. Summers coming and I don't want my yard to look like crater holes.

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The behavior is called pica.

Here is some more information.

http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/behav...roblems/picabeh.html
 
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On a computer with extreme limitations. (It's my wife's school computer.)

Do you mind cutting and pasting some of it? Sorry to be a bother.

When I let her out this morning, she took her morning waterfall... heh. Then, straight for the mud! Tapped her on the nose a few times and had to chase her around the yard.

She also likes mulch, but mud is definately her "food" of choice.
 
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No problem.

Pica Behaviour in the Adult Dog

A common problem in dogs is the ingestion of unnatural objects such as candy wrappers, toilet paper, or socks. Not only is this behavior a nuisance around the house, but the swallowing of non-food particles poses a serious threat to the health of the dog. The problem requires attention and treatment.

The Causes of Pica Behavior

Medical

There are many medical conditions such as dietary deficiencies and esophageal dysphagia which should first be ruled out through a veterinarian's examination. In the absence of any physiologic or pathologic causes, there are a number of behavioral reasons for pica.

To Gain Attention

A dog can quickly learn that picking up a foreign object or a non-food item will gain the owner's attention. The attention provided by the owner can be rewarding and reinforced even though the reward is unintentional. Even if a scolding follows, this may act as a reward for a dog deprived of attention.

Boredom

Boredom or lack of exercise for long periods of time without companionship can play a major role in a dog's interest in chewing on non-food items. A dog with little to do in his day will "explore" behavioural activities, such as chewing on foreign objects.

From Puppyhood

Pica is often a carryover from puppyhood. Puppies which were orally oriented, encouraged to pick up objects and play with them, can retain the attribute into adulthood.

Accidental

The dog's mouth is an organ by which he explores and takes possession of objects, as well as eats them. Sometimes these two functions are so closely associated with each other that the dog ends up partially ingesting something that it originally intended only to investigate and release.

Behavioural Treatment and Prevention

The easiest treatment for pica behaviour is to provide adequate exercise and active play for the animal. Taking the dog out for a good long walk twice a day will help tire the dog out, provide the dog with companionship and diversion. After a long run the dog will spend more time resting, and this should help use up some energy that was spent looking for items to pick up in its mouth.

For dogs with an urge to find, chew and hold items within their mouth it is useful to orient the dog towards an acceptable object such as a strong nylon or rawhide bone. Teasing the dog with a bone or chew toy will help stimulate interest in the object. Encourage the dog to play with acceptable chew items. (Make sure the bone or chew item is large enough so that the dog cannot swallow it.)

In cases where it seems that the dog is exhibiting pica behavior in order to gain attention and the dog is performing the behaviour in your presence, it is best to ignore the dog if it already has something in its mouth. Any reaction, including an enjoyable chase, or aggressive response, will be regarded as rewarding by the dog. The optimum time for intervention is to divert the dog's attention before the dog approaches an object it intends to pick up. For example, instruct the dog to perform some previously learned command-response, and then reward him through petting or food. This treatment generally involves increased supervision of the dog.

Other steps to help prevent pica behavior:

* remove loose objects from areas around the house within the dogs reach
* booby trap objects or lace objects with taste deterrents such as Tabasco or one of the many commercially available sprays like Citronella spray
* reduce the dog's appetite by feeding lesser amounts more often, and by adding fiber to the diet to promote a feeling of fullness.

By not encouraging puppies to pick up and play with objects, and providing the dog with adequate exercise, pica problems can usually be avoided.


8 Tips to Help Prevent "Pica," A Dog Compulsive Disorder
Jonathon James
With some dogs, meals aren't the only source of oral intake they have. Wool and other fibers, non-digestible plant material, rubber, plastic, wood, and even their own hair are just some of the things a dog may choose to ingest. This problem - the drive to consume material that is not generally considered food - is called "pica" and is what animal behaviorists call a compulsive disorder.

In a human, a compulsive disorder may be repetitive, such as frequent hand washing or pulling one's hair out. In dogs, these disorders can include excessive licking and spinning in circles. Compulsive disorders are repetitive, nonfunctional, nonbeneficial behaviors. Although the exact cause of compulsive disorders is unknown, animal behaviorists feel that they are often caused by stress brought on by environmental conflicts such as competition with other pets, changes in the home, constant punishment, or confinement to small areas such as cages or crates.

Lack of socialization or too much attention, as well as a nutritional imbalance, may bring about a compulsive behavior as well. A dog with a compulsive disorder loses control over his ability to initiate and stop these negative, repetitive actions. Often the compulsive behaviors are oral in nature, causing the dog to eat things he shouldn't.

Controlling Your Dog's Disorder

1. The first step in treating a compulsive disorder is to identify the cause and eliminate it. For example, if your dog is crated for a large portion of the day, allow him outside the confined space to help get him on the road to recovery.

2. Don't reinforce the behavior by paying attention to him while he is engaged in it. Providing good quality time on a set schedule is preferable and more effective than petting, stroking, or verbally consoling your dog in the midst of repetitive activity.

3. Do not reinforce the behavior by punishing your dog for the compulsive behavior or for other inappropriate activities. It may make the problem worse.

4. Spray household objects your dog likes to chew with cayenne pepper, essential oils in citrus, cinnamon, or eucalyptus scents, spray deodorant, or perfume that is not your own.

5. Spray favorite chewables with a pet repellent to deter your dog from sticking non-food objects in his mouth.

6. Keep dangerous objects such as yarn or string out of your dog's reach to prevent him from chewing and swallowing them.

7. If your dog is chewing his hair, he may have an allergy. Discuss the problem with your veterinarian before embarking on a behavior modification program.

8. As a last resort to solve a compulsive eating disorder, discuss drug therapy with your veterinarian. Drugs that increase serotonin levels, like Prozac and some antidepressants are used for treating compulsive disorders, including compulsive eating.

Compulsive disorders are not just a problem for adults; dogs can suffer from them as well. If your dog suffers from "pica," or the drive to consume nonfood material, then following the steps outlined above will help you and your dog deal with this problem. If you are unsure whether your dog suffers from "pica," or simply need help in dealing with this compulsive disorder, then you should consult with your veterinarian.
 
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I replied, and copy and pasted the info, but because "trigger" words were used in the articles, a moderator has to approve them.

They should show up for you to read shortly though. Smile
 
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You are wonderful. Thank you!

Well... she's definately ruled healthy by the vet. Told him about the behavior last visit. Not excersize. Shoot, she's the most tired, happy puppy I've ever met.

I wonder if it was a behavior encouraged by the woman who had him before. It's funny to watch, and she might have praised her in some way, shape or form. She really sticks her snoot flat on the ground and shaves the mud off of the ground with her front teeth and just scarfs away. I'm just going to bring her inside after she starts it (providing she's at least peed). Hopefully that does something.
 
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Oh man... I have a Great Dane and belong to a GD meetup and I have heard one other lady mention this same problem. I am going to pass along the info provided here!!!
 
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You know, I just got off of the phone with a friend who lives 3 hours away... feeds a different food... raises her Danes differently than mine... and hers sit there and eat mud when they're out for more than a few minutes.

WEIRD.
 
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maybe you could try to associate the mud with something she doesnt like so that she sees it's not something she should do. if theres something in particular that she doesnt like, a food or an object, you could put it near the mud or something.
 
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Nothing is detering her, unless I'm down there in the courtyard with her.

When we stop on walks, she goes for the mud and mulch, too.

She's slowly being broke of it, thought. It's a snail-like process.
 
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