In the past there have been those who have talked down about Pedigree food, their commercials to help bring attention to pound puppies and how other brands are better for your dog. True, they do not claim to be all natural. However, they haven't poisoned any animals either! Top "quality" brands have been recalled due to contaminated ingredience.
I guess they are not as bad as some think. To those of you whose animals have eaten the contaminated food, my heart goes out to you and I pray your dog/cat will be alright. (My husband ate some of the bad Peter Pan and it wasn't pretty.) As for me, I will continue to feed my dogs Pedigree. It is, after all, the lessor of the 2 evils. And I, for one, feel that they deserve more credit than they have been given. Especially after all this.
There's also a ton of high grade commercial diets that weren't recalled as well.
To me, the ingredients in Purina say it all.
We all know what happens to corn after we eat it, it ends up in the toilet.
I also know that I wouldn't expect my animals to survive off chicken beaks, chicken intestine and cattle that arrive dead to slaughter (meat-by-products).
Sure, dogs can survive on it, but IMO, it greatly decreases their quality and longevity of life.
I also feel bad for those who lost pet's due to pet food manufactuer negligence.
I also feel that many people treat feeding their pets as they do feeding themselves, on fillers, fast food and junk.
I had 2 shep mixes that I fed Pedigree most of their lives, and the both lived to be 15, without any major health problems until the end. My girl had kidney failure when I put her to sleep last Aug. From my experience I just don't see how the food could be that bad.
Your reasoning makes no sense at all a human can live a full life on ramen as well that doesn't mean it good for them >_> I could eat popeye's every day of my life and live to 70. 15 is average old age for a dog but not exceptional you can extend your dog's life past it's 20 by feeding better quality food.
And my Grandmother, who had a farm, fed her dogs chicken/rice & oats and they still did not live until 20 year...or 15 years...that is not average for a large dog. For a small dog, yes. It is a known fact that smaller breeds live longer than larger breeds. You have to compare more than dog food to consider a dogs life. Like people, you can live on a very healthy diet, that does not ensure that you are getting enough vitamins and minerals and that is why most people take vitamins in addition to what they eat. However, I've known people who have taken very good care of themselves and still had a heart attack.
Not everyone can afford $30 a week for dog food. Bless those that take the pound puppies and give them a good home and Pedigree or Purina. Besides, we are talking about an animal that will eat other dogs poop, garbage and other dead animals. So I don't think they are too concerned about whether something has corn in it or not.
I bet there are a lot of people who do not know you are not to give a dog pork either (including bacon grease), since it causes pancreatic problems. And there are people who buy the high quality dog food and give their dogs chocolate as a treat...because a little bit won't hurt them.
IMO, I say that Pedigree deserves some well deserved respect.
I feed my dog Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul. I read bag after bag of food to find the best I could (at the best price). HOWEVER... I agree with Samdj. I have seen too many dogs that live long, healthy lives on "garbage" food. Growing up, I had a dog that ate whatever was on sale at the grocery store. He lived to be 15. My last dog was fed a "premium" food and died at 5. (I'm not blaming the food on her death) I will continue to give my dog a food that I feel is of excellent quality, but many dogs are getting along just fine on lower quality. I would only suggest switching if your dog is having a problem (gas, digestive upsets, allergies, etc.)
Well, I have been feeding my dog Purina One(which is the WORST possible food to feed a dog!) and am soon switching her over to Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul. I think her food could be the reason why she is so hyper all the time..she will not sit still!!!! She's constantly bouncing around the house like a jellybean!!! And she's constantly pestering our poor cats! :lol: But I am going to change her food over gradually this week and hopefully she'll like the food(I'm thinking she will cause she's such a goat!) and eat it like she eats her other food.
I never said that your dog couldn't live well on these things simply that it's like feeding a child hamburgers every day or fries. All of the cheaper dog foods are full of fillers cut dry and simple it's not healthy. There are plenty of dog food that's better quality and the same price as purina etc. i definitely don't pay $30 a week for dog food >_> my dog food is $20 a bag and i only have to buy that MAYBE every other week. Nutro for example is better even Science diet is better than purina.
Not everyone can afford $30 a week for dog food. Bless those that take the pound puppies and give them a good home and Pedigree or Purina. Besides, we are talking about an animal that will eat other dogs poop, garbage and other dead animals. So I don't think they are too concerned about whether something has corn in it or not.
Actually, feeding a higher quality dog food ends up being the same price in the end. The dogs eat less, and get more nutrition from smaller portions of food. Their bodies have to work less hard to digest the food that composed of mostly fillers. So unless you have five 100 lbs. dogs, you shouldn't be spending $30 a week on dog food.
I have 4 dogs, and a 35 lb. bag of Chicken Soup that costs $32 with tax, lasts me for 6 weeks.
Dogs only eat other dogs poop when their dog food isn't providing them with the proper nutrients. That's yet another sign that the Purnia isn't providing essential nutrients.
I do feed my dogs Pedigree(can), but I also feed them Lassie Natural Way and, dispite the name, it is all natural and holds its own to its higher dollar competitors. You can find it at Kroger and I've been buying it on sale for around $13 a 17 lb. bag. The have a website and will send you a coupon to try a 5 lb. bag for free and look at the ingredience in the food. It works great for sensitive stomaches (those of you who have boxers know what I am talking about)...Charlie can't each just anything, but he will (anything & everything) if you let him. Dj will only eat it if I add the Pedigree. She knows what she likes. And Charlies seems to stomach Pedigree well too.
Not everyone can afford $30 a week for dog food. Bless those that take the pound puppies and give them a good home and Pedigree or Purina. Besides, we are talking about an animal that will eat other dogs poop, garbage and other dead animals. So I don't think they are too concerned about whether something has corn in it or not.
Actually, feeding a higher quality dog food ends up being the same price in the end. The dogs eat less, and get more nutrition from smaller portions of food. Their bodies have to work less hard to digest the food that composed of mostly fillers. So unless you have five 100 lbs. dogs, you shouldn't be spending $30 a week on dog food.
I have 4 dogs, and a 35 lb. bag of Chicken Soup that costs $32 with tax, lasts me for 6 weeks.
Dogs only eat other dogs poop when their dog food isn't providing them with the proper nutrients. That's yet another sign that the Purnia isn't providing essential nutrients.
Not true...dogs eat other dogs poop for the taste and other reasons, such as boredom, etc. There is more than one reason why dogs do what they do. Our job is to find out why. As for me, my dogs have never had the urge or at least while I'm around them...however, it doesn't stop them from taking a whiff to find out who left it behind.
Also, a dog's sense of taste is relatively poor and they have only one-sixth the number of taste buds that humans have. I can't imagine that they'd eat poop for the "taste". They don't appriciate or savor foods in the sense that we as humans do. Heck, they don't even chew half the time.
Go to the website...Kroger was just an example. As I am aware they are not everywhere, but there are other stores listed as well. I just felt that if anyone was interested they may want to check it out.
As far as the taste...I don't know what a dog tastes and don't think I'd ever want to find out either. I do know that dogs have been known to eat some pretty disgusting things (some humans too!).
A dog's senses of taste and smell are closely linked and it is possible that dogs gain more imformation about food from its smell than from its taste. Most of a dog's taste buds are clustered around the tip of the tongue. Dogs can detect bitter, sweet, salty, and sour tastes.
I also have to throw this in about Pedigree. If you go to the Pedigree website and look at their foods, it has a little guide at the bottom of the screen that talks about nutrients.
This is exactly what it states:
* Healthy cell development
Contains antioxidants (including taurine, and Vitimins C & E) proven to promote the development of healthy cells * Strong teeth & bones
The right balance of calcium and phosphorus for strong teeth and bones * Healthy skin & coat
Omega Fatty Acids and all the essential nutrition required for the healthiest skin and shiniest coat * Strong muscles
High quality proteins which provide amino acids for strong, healthy muscles * Healthy digestion
Highly disgestible ingredients so nutrients are easily absorbed
Yet the first 8 ingredients in Pedigree are this: Ground Whole Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with BHA/BHT), Wheat Mill Run, Ground Wheat, Natural Poultry Flavor, Wheat Flour, Salt,
Where are the antioxidents they are promoting? In tiny amounts at the bottom of the list... where they should be, antioxidents and vitamins and minerals should be a STAPLE of any dog food, and not tooted as "omg, look at me, I have essential nutrients".
Calcium and phosphorus? Again, should be a basic ingredient in any dog food, and again at the bottom of the list.
Omega Fatty Acids... I'm still trying to decipher where they're extracting those from on their total ingredient list. I've always been under the assumption that the best omegas came from fish oils.
High quality protiens? NO WAY. Since when does meat and bone meal, animal fat and "natural poultry flavor" consitute HIGH QUALITY? Are you kidding me? The bones and the fat are what's discarded and junked. It's the cr*p of the animal. If it is so "high quality" why don't we eat it? Much cheaper then meat right?
And after all of this... I still don't see Pedigree explaining the essential nutrients of why CORN is listed is listed TWICE in the top ingredients.
Great, the dogs are living off corn.
So balenced and healthy it blows my mind.
Any one who can read and knows a little about basic nutrition can read this website and realize that Pedigree is utter garbage.
There is always truth in advertising and you should believe everything your read, right?
Shame on me...you are right, I am wrong! People don't feed your dog anything but what Angeleeta tells you...she knows everything about what you should and shouldn't feed your dog. She's an expert.
And anyone who has had as much experience as you have had with dogs should have already known that when a dog jumps up on you, you should turn your back to it...a tv show shouldn't have to teach you that. Especially, if you are a dog expert such as yourself.
We get the point, you don't like it. But don't knock others down for feeding it to their dogs. At least they are feeding them. They can always take them back to the pound.
Originally posted by samdj: There is always truth in advertising and you should believe everything your read, right?
Shame on me...you are right, I am wrong! People don't feed your dog anything but what Angeleeta tells you...she knows everything about what you should and shouldn't feed your dog. She's an expert.
And anyone who has had as much experience as you have had with dogs should have already known that when a dog jumps up on you, you should turn your back to it...a tv show shouldn't have to teach you that. Especially, if you are a dog expert such as yourself.
We get the point, you don't like it. But don't knock others down for feeding it to their dogs. At least they are feeding them. They can always take them back to the pound.
Truth in advertising? So Pedigree is lying about the quality of there product on their site? Yet another reason not to trust them.
It's taken DIRECTLY from their site. Sorry if you don't like what you see, but it's what you're choosing to feed your dog.
I never claimed to know everything, I just can read a label and determine what is healthy and good for me or my dogs, compared to what is utter cr*p.
Your comments about my dogs jumping are just cheap shots at me. Really now, aren't we grown and above jabs at that?
Being a dog food expert and a expert dog trainer are two different things.
You've lost my respect after that little tangent. I wasn't directly commenting at you, or anything that you did, and now you've went and insulted me.
Pedigree isn't great at all. It never will be. Pedigree has nothing to do with me, and you really shouldn't be so personally offended about my opinon.
You should be offened at Pedigree for selling such a terrible product and advertising it as being great, healthy, and well balenced for dogs.
Just to add to this... because dog food debates are always so fun, the first 8 ingredients in Chicken Soup, my choosen food. I've researched many a brand, and find this one to be the best that's avalible in my area.
Chicken (fresh) Food grade chicken that has been mechanically separated from the bone. Never frozen, arrives less than 24 hours after it is processed. Enhances palatability, low ash, protien source.
Turkey (fresh) A food grade ingredient, mechanically deboned. Arrives chilled and is used in the recipes within 72 hours of processing.
Chicken Meal Lean carcass (muscle and bone). No feathers or internal organs. We use a specially processed, low ash meal. Protein, phosphorus, and calcium come from the meal.
Ocean fish meal A high quality source of protein and omega-3 fatty acids. The omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, EPA and DHA, provide nutrition for optimal skin and coat health as well as excellent overall health. This ingredient is stabilized ONLY with natural preservatives, a blend of mixed tocopherols and rosemary.
Barley (Cracked Pearl) Whole grain. Has 50% more protein than rice. Slow burning carbohydrate source, helps control blood sugar levels and helps keep the pet feeling satisfied for a longer period of time.
Brown Rice Whole grain brown rice ground to a powder. Whole grains are metabolized more slowly, providing a steady supply of energy throughout the day. Source of fiber, carbohydrates, and vitamin B.
Oatmeal Whole grain that is an excellent source of slow burning carbohydrates for all day energy and fiber for proper digestion.
Millet A whole grain. Higher in protein than corn, rich in amino acids (lysine, methionine, and threonine). Low in tannins, which limit palatability and inhibit protein digestion.
I'm not posting this because I'm trying to push Chicken Soup on people, but to illustate the major quality difference between low grade commercial food and high grade commercial food.
First of all, the truth in advertising statement was to be taken sarcastically. I guess you missed that.
Secondly, do I care for your respect...no. I am not trying to earn your approval or gain your respect as you have very little for others that do not agree with the way you think. Prove your point at not cost. I understand that you live by this dog food and that is your choice, but don't condemn others for choosing something different. Good or bad, what difference should it make to you? It's not costing you anything? I made a statement, nothing more. If you don't like Pedigree...that's fine, but don't condemn others who do. I'm not an expert either, nor did I ever claim to be, but I do know something about dogs.
As far as jabs, you have had your fair share in the past, as I do recall. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This is why I left this website. It's okay to be passionate about something, but don't force it on people. I have seen people come to this website looking for answers and getting negative remarks like..."they don't read past forums do they" or "how many times do we have to answer this". Some have even been told they are stupid. People come to this forum looking for help, they don't have time to go back and research every forum. But the negative comments such as these turns them away. People can post a kudos to an organization, person or product and should not be condemned for it, no matter how poor you think it is.
Dogs usually do not eat people quality food, this is for the few that live a sheltered life. It is an owners choice as to what they want to feed them. I love my dogs, but dogs are animals...not people. What do you think they feed the dogs in the pound? Are they bad pepole for giving puppies Purina Puppy Chow? Or feeding the discarded dogs Purina Dog Food or Pedigree Dog food? Or heaven forbid! They sent the new owner home with a bag of this stuff and coupons for more too! Those evil doers!! Nice to see you're so passionate about this chicken soup food. If the dog can't eat it you can.
Originally posted by samdj: First of all, the truth in advertising statement was to be taken sarcastically. I guess you missed that.
Secondly, do I care for your respect...no. I am not trying to earn your approval or gain your respect as you have very little for others that do not agree with the way you think. Prove your point at not cost. I understand that you live by this dog food and that is your choice, but don't condemn others for choosing something different. Good or bad, what difference should it make to you? It's not costing you anything? I made a statement, nothing more. If you don't like Pedigree...that's fine, but don't condemn others who do. I'm not an expert either, nor did I ever claim to be, but I do know something about dogs.
As far as jabs, you have had your fair share in the past, as I do recall. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This is why I left this website. It's okay to be passionate about something, but don't force it on people. I have seen people come to this website looking for answers and getting negative remarks like..."they don't read past forums do they" or "how many times do we have to answer this". Some have even been told they are stupid. People come to this forum looking for help, they don't have time to go back and research every forum. But the negative comments such as these turns them away. People can post a kudos to an organization, person or product and should not be condemned for it, no matter how poor you think it is.
Dogs usually do not eat people quality food, this is for the few that live a sheltered life. It is an owners choice as to what they want to feed them. I love my dogs, but dogs are animals...not people. What do you think they feed the dogs in the pound? Are they bad pepole for giving puppies Purina Puppy Chow? Or feeding the discarded dogs Purina Dog Food or Pedigree Dog food? Or heaven forbid! They sent the new owner home with a bag of this stuff and coupons for more too! Those evil doers!! Nice to see you're so passionate about this chicken soup food. If the dog can't eat it you can.
Yeah, I totally missed the e-sarcasim. Sometimes I find it hard to read the tone of voice and body language of text.
I can condemn whatever I want. Boo hoo.
I've made my fair share of jabs in the past? Is that what you're eluding too? Okay then... are you stalking me?
I'm not forcing anything on people. I'm simply pointing out information that is there for people to read. If you don't like it, why are you taking the time to respond and getting so defensive? Am I getting under your skin a little?
Corn isn't what dogs are supposed to survive off of, simple as that. My dogs are well taken care of, and I'm proud of that. I can share my point of view, and all the facts and links that I want about it.
I never once said shelters are bad for feeding their dogs Pedigree or Purina, but shelters are exactly that, a stepping stone to a forever home. Given the choice between eating from a soup line or a gourment restaurant, what would you choose?
Passion is life. Love it.
And yes I could eat their dog food, but I don't have to pinch pennies at my house. I can affored to feed my dogs and myself well.
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