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Italy has banned 92 breeds and they are all in their dangerous dogs list. Including: Corgis, St. Bernards, Collies,and others. This is outrageous.
 
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It is outragous.

Be an activist here in the U.S. against BSL.

Website with good info:
http://www.blessthebullys.com/id26.html
 
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You see they need to have a licensed dog act. Like instead of banning the dogs a person has to get a license by proving over a number of months that they can take care fo their dog. This would insure more safety, peace, and less tortured or dead dogs in the world. They need to think this up. I am not the smartest person in the world and I could think of it. They are just neglecting our Country and they are saying we are perfect when we are falling apart. If we fall apart we can't help others! They need to organize their priorities!
 
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I agree! Why must they simply try to eliminate the problem when they could just alter the the elimination?! One thing is gor sure, Italy needs a good slap on the noggin!
SLA
 
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lol...I don't think I want to live there!
 
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lol...I don't think I want to live there!

Me neither. Where my dogs can't go, I don't go. Period. If only that worked on my mom... then I wouldn't have to go to school. Smile
 
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LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHA!!!!! Well I don't really mind school butethat is ssssooo funny...ok funniness over.
 
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Italy has banned 92 breeds and they are all in their dangerous dogs list. Including: Corgis, St. Bernards, Collies,and others. This is outrageous.


Collies??????? They banned Lassie????????????
 
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german shepherds huskys and saint bernards they shoud not be band those dog are not mean nether are the rest of the breeds

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Yes they banned Lassie...the sweet Collie. And Here is a quote form the website.
For anyone who says "BSL doesn't concern me". Frown

"THE Queen's favourite breed of dog, the corgi, has been put on an Italian
government list of dogs banned because they are dangerous.
>
> The clampdown, announced yesterday, comes after a
> series of attacks by
> dogs in recent weeks which have left several young
> children and adults badly
> injured and scarred for life. Girolamo Sirchia,
> Italy's health minister,
> announced the emergency law which covers 92
> different breeds of dogs and
> bans children and those with a criminal record from
> keeping them.
>
> Corgis - of which the Queen has more than 100 -
> collies and St Bernard
> rescue dogs have all been labelled as "very
> dangerous" according to the new
> law.
>
> He said: "Scientifically, it's difficult to define
> which dogs are
> aggressive or not, so its better to group them all
> together."
>
> Potential owners who are considered suitable to keep
> the dogs will have to
> make sure that they are muzzled and kept on a leash.
>
> They will also have to take out insurance in case
> they are involved in any
> attacks. Anyone breaking the new law faces a
> three-month jail sentence and a
> fine of #150. Yesterday, Italian newspapers
> questioned how collies, corgis
> and St Bernards could be classed as dangerous, with
> a headline reading:
> "Man's best friend Lassie - is a killer".
>
> However extreme putting corgis on a list of
> dangerous dogs may seem, the
> Queen herself has been a victim of their temper. In
> 1991, she needed three
> stitches after she split up a fight between two of
> hers.
>
End Quote.

No one stops a dog fight!!!!Frown She might be the Queen of Italy but she is an idiot and onehundred dogs! Geesh!
 
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No...they didn't get the wrong breeds....THEY SHOULDN'T BAN DOGS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!! Mad
But that is for them you are right wolf11112. Smile
 
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As you requested, here I am.

I feel that a ban on 92 breeds has more to do with personal liberties than with dangerous dogs. In this country we are still able to keep what some claim to be "dangerous" dogs because the people of this nation have the ability to control their government, and therefore create and rescind the laws as we see fit. This is not always so in other countries.
 
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Thank You.
But they are also trying to keep others from getting hurt and recent reports say that it is not helping. It has made very many animal lover right groups unhappy there. The government is getting beaten down by them and they are out to change the world starting with Italy. SmileDid you read the paragraph above...it is just so stupid.
 
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92? Corgis? Collies? I've been around pit bulls that weren't dangerous. And corgis and collies and a lot of other dogs! Its the dog's personality, its history of how its treated, experiences, and what its breed was bred for that determines if a dog is "dangerous" or not. They banned over half of what the AKC recognizes! I'm not going to Italy. That would be outrageous if they banned more!
 
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Lets just see if Lassie helps them when they need her! That'll show 'em what happens when you ban collies! Smile
 
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Now, I like Italy and all, but that is THE MOST STUPID THING I HAVE EVER HEARD! That is messed up! I never believed in a "dangerous dog" and never will- dogs are like people there is always something good in each of them, plus not every dog in a breed is "dangerous" Anyone going to Italy? If you are.... Go Knock Some Sense in those People!
 
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Italy has banned 92 breeds and they are all in their dangerous dogs list. Including: Corgis, St. Bernards, Collies,and others. This is outrageous.


Collies??????? They banned Lassie????????????


LOL!!!!! I can't believe they banned Lassie! What will they do when Timmy is stuck and needs a C-clamp? Or the next time he falls down a well?

Poor Italy, they don't know what they're missing.
 
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lol...I don't think I want to live there!

Me neither. Where my dogs can't go, I don't go. Period. If only that worked on my mom... then I wouldn't have to go to school. Smile


lol!!!!Thats funny!!
 
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PLEASE SAY THEY DIDN'T BAN LABS!!!!!!!!!!
ITALY YOU %%&*%re^&%$*& YOUR THE WORST HOW COULD YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? IF THEY DO THAT IN THE USA I AM GOING TO GET A BAND OF PEOPLE TOGETHER AND GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND PROTEST!!!!!!!!! Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
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Originally posted by corgisrlovable:
Italy has banned 92 breeds and they are all in their dangerous dogs list. Including: Corgis, St. Bernards, Collies,and others. This is outrageous.
 
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Thanks to irresponsible pet owners who choose not to spay or neuter or even confine their pets; one day all dogs may be banned everywhere!

Take a look at the feral dog problems in third world countries. Dogs run in packs, endangering pets and humans alike, rabies and other diseases run rampant and the populations continue to flourish. Well, you know what? The shelters can't hold them all. We have feral dogs right here in America too.

"An Underground Epidemic: America’s Wild Street Dogs
Bringing the Feral Dog Epidemic to the Forefront of Animal Welfare


Are you aware of the enormous feral dog problem? This country has experienced an explosion in the number of dogs that are abandoned by their owners and exponential rise in feral dogs – dogs that are born, live, and die on the streets, never having been socialized to humans. The epidemic is recent - since the 1980s - borne of a lethal combination of vastly increased dog fighting, dogs bred for aggressiveness, and reduced animal control. It is not a local problem…it is a national tragedy.

This forum will identify the problem and take an in-depth look into the multiple aspects of the feral dog. Topics will range from common medical problems associated with these dogs, to their rescue and rehabilitation; all the while focusing upon how these canines can start becoming part of society instead of lingering on the outskirts of domestication. Awareness, solutions, behavior, and environment will be covered. Together we can solve this problem.

Identifying the problem
· Los Angeles, Detroit, New Orleans, Cleveland, New York, Baltimore, Houston, Indianapolis, Santa Fe, and Pittsburgh, all report "an epidemic of feral and abandoned dogs".
· Since the 1980’s, the problem of breeding and training aggressive dogs has grown steadily: 40,000 Americans now take part in dog fighting.
· There are an estimated 50,000 street dogs in Los Angeles. In Los Angeles County and City alone, 200,000 residents were bitten by abandoned dogs in one year. In New Orleans, estimates are placed at 40,000 stray dogs.
· Says Madeline Bernstein, president of the Los Angeles SPCA: “You’ve got a situation where people complain that there are too many dogs out there, and the department complains that they don’t have enough money to pick them up, and meanwhile the number of dogs multiplies, and it just goes on and on.”
· In 1999, SWAT teams of police, sheriff’s deputies, and animal control officers went out on daily sweeps of the city and county where 200,000 residents were bitten. At least 47 vicious stray dogs – of the hundreds caught every day – had to be shot in one year. In some neighborhoods, residents carried rocks and clubs to scare off the dogs.
· Bait dogs make up a good portion of urban stray populations. They are the smaller and weaker animals used to train fighting dogs.
· Feral dogs are so mistreated that they defecate uncontrollably at the touch of a human hand. Many are the victims of shootings.
· Feral dog expert Randy Grim, founder of Stray Rescue, says: "We can’t say feral dogs are mean because it isn't true. What makes street dogs aggressive enough to attack and kill is that they were previously owned by people who purposefully mistreated them to heighten their fight instinct. When these powerful urban breeds get discarded they join the packs of ferals. I know that is the case. True feral dogs usually run away from people...."
Behavior and physical traits of the feral dog
· Feral dogs are the untouchables; they are the ones who "belong" to no one. They are the hold-outs, the animals under-funded pounds can't catch and overburdened humane shelters can't deal with. They colonize whatever neighborhoods afford them the best shelter, the most food and the least amount of contact with human beings. They exist, like genetic castaways, in the evolutionary no-man's-land between domesticity and wildness. They are completely, utterly, alone.
· Dr. Michael Fox, once a psychologist at Washington University, and now a Senior Fellow of Bioethics for the Humane Society of America, studied a small pack of feral dogs in North St. Louis over the course of one summer. Not once did he see them catch a squirrel or a rat or a cat, despite all their chasing. Domestication and selective breeding are the culprits. These dogs do not, Fox concluded, know how to survive as wild animals anymore.
· Bait dogs make up an alarming portion of the urban stray population. These are smaller, weaker animals used to train the fighters. They are recognizable by their missing limbs, by their numerous scars from the attacks and the wires used to tie them down, and by their conditioned fear of humans and other dogs. These injured dogs are discarded as losers and leftover bait. In time, they turn into feral street dogs.
· Two years ago, researchers from the University of California discovered that the domestic dog is within only 0.2 percent of being genetically identical to the gray wolf. If it were not for the thousands of years' worth of cosmetic changes caused by humans selectively breeding animals for specific characteristics (looks, size, temperament, and behavioral traits), today’s domestic dogs would be wolves. The problem for the feral dog today on our cities’ streets, however, is that those changes eradicated the important instincts that enable wolves in the wild to survive.
· Domestic dogs are neotenic, or "forever immature", which means that even though they are genetically within the same species as wolves, adult dogs only display the physical characteristics and the brain size of very young wolf pups. When a puppy is brought into a person's home as a pet, it immediately becomes a member of the "human pack", and its only role in the human pack is to act as a subordinate -- a wolf pup - who is fed, doted upon, and generally protected from danger. This dooms feral dogs to an evolutionary purgatory where neither instinct nor selective breeding equips them for anything but professional beggary.
· Most puppies born in the wild to domestic dogs have life expectancies of an hour or less. Those “fortunate” enough to survive, will only live for a year, maybe two.
· Female relatives of the dog such as wolves and foxes, only have one breeding cycle per year, and the males have potent sperm only at that time. Domesticated dogs, however, have two or three breeding cycles every year, and the sperm of the males is potent year-round. A domestic female dog and her offspring can unleash 67,000 pups in six years' time.
· If dogs manage to live long enough to breed in the wild, successive generations lose their purebred characteristics and take on the looks of the prototype feral dog: medium-length hair, medium build, pointed ears, curled tail with a white tip.
· If a feral dog does not die of sheer starvation, there are always diseases such as parvovirus, heartworm, or intestinal parasites lining up for a turn. Many feral dogs have mange, which is caused by a parasite living in the skin. However, it is not the parasite that kills a dog; it is the loss of hair, and subsequent exposure to the elements, that does the job.
· TVT, transmissible venereal tumors, is becoming an epidemic among street dogs.
· Abuse ranges from gun shot wounds to amputated limbs - even from leghold traps.


Effective rescue methods

Depending on time restraints, this applies especially to Animal Control; the “Havahart” humane trap can be the quickest rescue method. (To order-(203) 894-9368.)
.
1. When baiting this type of trap, make sure to use effectual bait, i.e., “real” meat products, cheese, or canned cat food.
2. Use towels or blankets to cover the flooring grate. This way, the trap offers more "walk-in" appeal.
3. Leave a trail of “bait” approximately 6 feet around the perimeter of the trap.
4. You can also cover the trap, giving it a “den” feel.
5. Make sure to check the trap often. (Avoiding undue stress to the dog when using this method is imperative.)
6. Once the dog is caught, use your normal speaking voice or soft tone to calm the animal, then transport.

This method is excellent for those who do not have the resources, but do have the time. Gaining their trust is key to the success of this technique.
1. Even though many instincts have been leached from their gene pools, fear in a domestic dog is a stronger stimulus than hunger. The trick is to coax them into believing they are joining a pack, a human pack, where their inbred tendency toward subordination finds a "natural" place in the whole. Feed them, calm them, and lure them into thinking everything is right in the world.
2. Again, use “real” meat products when attempting to lure the stray. Remember, first attempts are usually unsuccessful, so consistent feedings every day are necessary. Make an effort to feed the stray on a schedule, and sit in the area while he eats. Speak in calming tones, even reading a book out loud helps. Become part of his environment.
3. Brash movements and sounds can set you back days. Try to avoid your natural instinct to “force” a rescue.
4. As the stray becomes more at ease in your presence, use a slip lead and your bait to finalize the rescue. Bite gloves should be used as a precautionary measure, as well as a muzzle, if you feel it necessary. With the slip lead around the dog’s neck, pick up the torso, using the lead to control the head. Most feral dogs will put up a fight for about a minute before submitting. They may urinate and/or defecate out of fear. Of 5,000 rescues reported, only one minor bite has occurred using this method.
5. Now is the time to carry the dog to a safe environment, be it a crate, car, shelter, etc.
Avoid using the pole noose as the ONLY means of catching a stray. This usually makes teaching them to walk on lead near impossible later on.


Rehabilitating the feral dog for adoption

· There are degrees of “wildness” in feral dogs. Some were dumped on the streets at early ages, while others were actually born in the urban wild. Those that were discarded early on may seem to be wild, but actually do have memories of human contact, and they usually rehab more quickly. Of course, this also depends upon the type of human contact they experienced.
· Every dog is different. You will notice some of them responding very quickly, while others can take many months.
· The first 24-48 hours you will want the dog to just adjust to the new surroundings. You may notice pacing, whining, whimpering, even howling. They may not eliminate for up to three to four days. They also may not eat. This is normal.
· They will have a tendency to “bolt” because they are afraid. Use extreme caution when entering and exiting pens, or the area in which the stray is being housed.
· Body language and tone of voice is crucial. Use slow, non-threatening movements. Always use a calm monotone voice, avoiding the high baby voice or a stern voice, for these tones can actually frighten the dog more.
· Let the dog accept you in the pen before you move about, and avoid direct eye contact. Crouching down low with your arm extended in a closed hand fashion is a good way to begin a greeting.
· Spending time in the pen reading, doing work, etc., is crucial. The more human contact, the faster the rehab.
· Try not to force petting, as fear can lead to a bite. Read the dog’s body language…If ears are back, you stay back.
· Bring the incredible treats with you such as hot dogs. Gaining their trust includes proving you are the better hunter. They will start to see that this human is a great hunter, and non-threatening.
· It may be a full month or longer before leash training can even begin; this means lots of clean up. Do the clean up slowly and calmly. Loud strange noises can incite the dog to panic.
· When sufficient trust is gained to use a leash, only walk the dog in the building, until it is certain he will not panic on the lead. A harness is preferable in the beginning, as it is non-threatening.
· Habituating the feral to other dogs (especially well-adjusted dogs and you interacting with this dog) also helps them adjust quicker and see how great humans can be.

The process is long, but very successful. Many former feral dogs have gone on to become “therapy” dogs, and all have been adopted as “normal” household pets.

The involvement of all of us in animal welfare is essential to solving this problem. Through sterilization and rehabilitation the feral dog problem can be contained, but first we must acknowledge its existence. All of us must work together to include these stray, feral dogs in the no-kill solution." underground epidemic


Every single individual that is producing puppies for any reason is driving our country closer and closer to the strictest dog laws any country has ever seen before. If the overpopulation problem isn't addressed soon--only the very rich will be able to afford to own a dog.
 
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