So now that these new shows have had at least two episodes air what is everyone's opinions?

I enjoy watching both of them, I find their training techniques to be helpful and they seem to work.

However, I am by no means as educated on training as others are here. I'm lucky that my dogs are well behaved and don't have any issue that I haven't been able to deal with.

I did however pick up the technique for asking guests to turn their back on the jumping dog. One of my dog occasionally jumps on guests when they walk through the door. I hope to try the technique out and see how it works.

I just caught a glimpse of "It's me or the dog" and you can tell what the problem is without watching the entire show. The dogs run the house and they are not being corrected for their behavior. If you ask me...It's them. Dogs do things because they are allowed to do them. Dogs are not people. We cannot treat them as such. There is a pecking order that must be determined immediately upon their arrival in a home or else it is total chaos...i.e. the show. Too busy to watch it again. It reminded me of Super Nanny. Most of these people know how the behavior began and know how to stop it, they just need someone to make them do it. Sad.

I haven't seen the shows, but I will say this. If people would learn to train their dogs in the first place and not spoil them like little children, there wouldn't be any bad behaviors to correct.

You'd be amazed at how hard it can be for friends/ gusts to listen though. I constantly have to tell them do not fuss over the dogs when you walk in the house and ever after i tell them 'wait to you calm down to pet her' they still go and pet her before she's settled down

Is it hard to train guests or the dog?

LOL

Out of the four dogs, only one dog does it occasionally, and she seems to do it the most to my sister and my friend Justin.

I think they'll be easy to train.

I just caught the "Divine Canine" show about the bull dog. I agreed with most of the training practices used. However, I thought the dog would benefit more from his training if the owner were trained right along side of him. As it is she has no idea why or how the techniques were used, and she will be more likely to allow him to revert back to his bad behavior.

All in all I think I really like the show.

their program runs entirely off of leaving the dogs and training them without the owners. While it would be nice to know the process I don't necessarily think obedience training HAS to be done with the owner. Or that each owner should be expected to learn how to train a dog as long as they are responsible enough to get said training done.

I don't like things like that....People need to learn how to train their dogs. You can take a dog away from one situation and then train it, teach it manners.....Well if you haven't changed the previous situation that caused it to get like that in the first place, the dog will turn right back into a an unmannered beast.

Not to mention people need to train their own dogs. I'll use the analogy that agilityk9trainer told me about....Dogs are like shoes. You can get a pair of shoes and wear them and they mold to YOUR feet. If somebody else tries to wear the shoes, it just isn't the same. Dogs are the same. If somebody else trains your dog, the dog will get used to their voice, their commands and their body language and won't respond to yours as well.

My dogs are very obedient to me and do exactly as I ask. But my mom can't get them to do much other than sit and lay down and this is with very obvious body language and commands spoken very clearly. I can make a vague sign with my hands and meerly utter the command under my breath and the dogs do exactly what I said. In fact, I don't even actually have to say the command out loud, Angie can actually read my lips if I make a clear enough distinction between sit and lay down.

One of the first aspects I ever learned when training a dog is that a dog should listen to commands given by any member in the family, if my friend comes over and tells shelby to sit, she sits.

Otherwise say a dog is trained, something happens to the owner and the dog has to find a new home, the dog needs to be completely trained again because it only listened to the one person? Not everyone is suited to be a trainer plain and simple, just like everyone isn't suited to do art or math imho.

To me training a dog isn't fitting a shoe it's getting the dog to understand human direction, once it is learned once you keep working the behaviour there should really be no reason for it to need to be retaught.

The K9 unit back home was trained with a mishmash of words, but anyone who knows those commands can get them to obey the directions as long as they are the ones in control of the dog.

But then again I point out that I believe every dog is different and responds differently to different situations, but of all the dogs I've seen sent off for training I've never seen any of my friends have a problem with relapsing

I really liked it.. the hardest part for me was seeing how much they have aged in years.. ( checks my own hair for grey..) And saddened to see Brother john has passed away..

I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but the monks do use a prong collar in certain situations. After a few shows I would be interested to see people weigh in about what they think of the training practices.

borzoimom: You're not that old.

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Originally posted by all-creatures-great-and-small:
I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but the monks do use a prong collar in certain situations. After a few shows I would be interested to see people weigh in about what they think of the training practices.

borzoimom: You're not that old.

oh honey.. yes I am .. I am 47 and started with them when I was in college... any collar- properly used is a asset.. After allllll those years with shepherds, then seeing my male counter parts with such grey hair, I looked at mine.. lol.. And I have another litter- borzois this time, due june 8th-12... one more time we say..

Personally, I prefer It's Me or the Dog. I find the monks and the narrator on Divine Canine kind of boring, and while the training stuff is mostly ok (except I saw lots of negative/aversive stuff on the website video clips), it doesn't really grab me. I think the Victoria Stilwell show is great, though. Had heard a lot about it from friends in the UK, and agree with them that she's not only a great voice for positive-method trainers (anti-Cesar), the show's actually really entertaining even besides the dog training. I agree with those that compare it to Supernanny, but I find that fun to watch, too. Glad it's here.

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Originally posted by borzoimom:
oh honey.. yes I am .. I am 47 and started with them when I was in college... any collar- properly used is a asset..

You'll have to trust me on this one, because I'm not going to tell yo how old I am , but you're not old. It's really cool that you know the monks of New Skete!

Actually, I'm not against trainers using a prong collar, but the person on the other end needs to know what he/she is doing. Because I know many people on this board support positive training methods, I was interested in their thoughts of the "Divine Canine" show and the training used.

lol people are never going to agree on training methods one set go one way and the other half goes the other way and i think users of Diverse method (whatever works) are in the middle. Caesar is a believer in the diverse method.

I just watched this show last night about the Pomeranian that took over the household and I have to say WOW! I think that's my problem with Katie-I baby her too much and now she thinks she has the run of the house and the office. I REALLY need to rethink my plans about that. I hope it's not too late to retrain her mind!

I love the show. I think I could be a candidate for the show! I am a animal trainer, but I cannot train my own!!!

Yeah, I think I would too, since I will soon be a profesional dog trainer, after I find myself a better stable income job.

I love both shows. I've trained my French Bulldog/Belgian Tervuren mix puppy with their methods and apart from having her mother's (the Frenchie if you can believe it!) head strong attitude she's been a dream to train.

I like It's me or the dog, but then I also like the Dog Whisperer. I think Cesar has worked wonders and has save many a dog's life. For all the Cesar nay-sayers, please, I'm not here to argue his pro's or con's. Just here to mingle with other pet lovers.